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so yang by himself tipped the DEALERS alone $10/tbl hour? yeah maybe its a stressful job but almost every job is stressful. and considering yang had a very small % of the gross i think he probably made the right move by not tipping more.

christ $10/hr is a great wage for a job you dont need a high school diploma for...when you consider the fact that dealers seemingly made about 8x that (65% of 1.2M) i think theres really no reason to complain, [censored] $80/table hour is sick good

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I didn't see this but what did the dealers actually get per hour or per down?

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For the love of pete...............Stop beating this dead horse. I cant believe we have a 51 page thread about this. Same post every year.

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I'm normally a very big supporter of dealers. I was simply curious what the dealers made this year.

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I'm normally a very big supporter of dealers. I was simply curious what the dealers made this year.

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Just a thought: Why would anyone desire to the tip dealers for doing their daily job. I work in a auto factory, and don't see the dealers coming to the plant and tipping me everytime their car starts. The statement is always that they are underpaid. Then go work somewhere else - Casinos will then adjust their pay rate ect.... This is why you see company's like PokerTek coming on board - average players don't want to tip...Especially bad dealers - I play at three local casinos in Detroit and only tip two of the dealers I come into contact with - Not because they are friendly / attractive ect.. because they deal extremely efficient allowing the game to run faster; thus allowing more hands per hour. Sorry Dealers - no sympathy here, just do the job your hired to do.

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You actually made a gimick account just to continue to beat a dead f'in horse? This isn't a soap box, now get off it. A mod needs to just lock this thread as no usefull information has been posted in quite a long time and it's the same whiny biching fest every year that NEVER EVER CHANGES!!!

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I agree with you porcupine in everything you say here except for applauding CF. Its funny how all these trnys we see on TV whether its the WSOP, after dark or whatever where these pros are always hanging around. Helmuth, Mouth, CF or someone always shows up. Go home get a life you have been knocked out. These other players are man/woman enough to figure out what then need with their own money. We dont see Brett Favre or Tom Brady at the SB when they arent in it. We didnt see Dirk or Nash at the Finals when the Spurs won. Go home pros or get a life and do something else instead of trying to be in the spotlight and influencing others all the time.

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I'm only speaking for myself (and correct me if I am not following your train of thought), but I would ASK CF to come into the room with me if I won. Because he'd be the kind of person I'd want advising me on how this all works. Heck I'd want a few of them in there with me...

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<font color="red"> I dont think i went as far as applauding CF but I am sure he was there only to help JY because he gained nothing by being there and he was asked by Oliver (Jerry's now "poker agent"). I will also add that CF did not at any time offer up advice that wasn't first asked for by JY </font>
<font color="blue"> Just a side thought.....Where and when did these "Agents" start popping up? are they a good thing or more like thoses lawyers that are called "ambulance chasers"? </font>

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I hate to do this since this thread has become crazy. But I can't believe everybody let her get away with her insulting Jerry's agent for no rational reason. From putting the term poker agent into quotations and comparing him to an ambulance chaser (which is itself an insult to personal injury attorneys) she has done (again. Don't forget the construction workers!) what she has so vehemently criticized in others - she insulted someone's profession.

I read most of this crazy thread because it's been months since I've been on 2+2. I was expecting someone to come to the guy's defense. Agents are less popular here than dealers here?

Of course it's obvious why she's pissed at the guy. He invited CF into the payout room and CF advised Yang not to tip. She's not been a good spokeswoman for her cause and I personally think that the % taken from all WSOP events are enough compensation for the staff.

But I want to put in a word regarding employment pay. A lot of people here seem to think that "dumb" people deserve to earn less in their jobs than smart people. What's deserve got to do with it? I will concede that on average dealers are less intelligent than the average doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. In my opinion - and I'm very interested in seeing whether people agree with me here - it is no more difficult for an intelligent person to become and practice as a doctor, lawyer, etc. than for a below average intelligence person to deal cards, do construction, answer phones, etc. But I see all these people like Sklansky implying that "smarter" professions should be paid more(nurses over poker dealers).

Is this the general consensus here? Should people who were lucky to be born intelligent and raised in an environment that fosters that intelligence(neither variable is really under any young person's control) be entitled to both a larger salary and the satisfaction of thumbing their noses at the lower classes? Are medical and law school really that hard compared to digging ditches or doing mind-numbing work like dealing or answering phones? If graduate school is harder (which I would tend to think is true) then what about the decades after? Isn't being a practicing doctor a pretty cushy job compared to blue collar work?

Before people blast me with Econ 101 or basics on capitalism let me point out I understand and appreciate why certain professions are paid more. Naturally the supply of smart, motivated people is smaller than dumb or average people. I'm not proposing socialism here.

But let's not thumb our noses too much at the "lower classes." To paraphrase Warren Buffett - he feels lucky to live in a time where the ability to deploy capital is richly rewarded and valued. But not so long ago in planetary terms he was probably animal food.

If Warren Buffett can be this humble so can the rest of us.

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So after all this, what's the consensus on tipping by a player who wins or finishes very high in the money in a large tournament, where a substantial percentage has already been held out for staff?

Of course it ultimately comes down to each individual's feelings, but is there a consensus here?