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THEjDonk 10-10-2007 10:16 PM

Some hands of stud8
 
I had a sick run of cards at the HORSE tables recently, making almost sixty big bets in about an hour (two-tabling).

Here are two of the last hands that i got dealt. I'd like to know if I'm betting at the right times, or if I should have played somewhat differently. What do you think?

HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($0,50/$1,00), Ante $0,05, Bring-In $0,25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls

4th Street - (4.80 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (4.40 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___calls
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

6th Street - (12.40 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (16.40 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___calls
Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___calls

Total pot: (19.40 BB)


HORSE - 7 Card Stud High-Low ($0,50/$1,00), Ante $0,05, Bring-In $0,25 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises

4th Street - (4.80 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (4.40 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks

6th Street - (4.40 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___calls
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls

River - (7.40 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___raises___calls

Total pot: (13.40 BB)


After rereading the stud section in SS1 and the posts in this forum, I think I've gotten a little better at getting away from trap hands. I still think I donk it up a bit now and then, but I hope to eliminate some of those bad plays soon.

xxeximusxx 10-10-2007 10:19 PM

Re: Some hands of stud8
 
hand one looks perfect,

hand two, although your hand is not great you got to bet it because the jack will check more often than not. Just hope he calls and the rest call along

Alchemist 10-10-2007 10:26 PM

Re: Some hands of stud8
 
Hand 1 looks fine.

Hand 2 I bet 4th, you want to get rid of the other low draw. Rest looks fine.

THEjDonk 10-10-2007 10:40 PM

Re: Some hands of stud8
 
Yeah that makes sense. I considered betting for exactly that reason, but I guess I got a little too passive there. I thought my hand had little scoop potential, but I catched very good on the latter streets.

The only street I was unsure about in the first hand was fifth street. I figured that I should bet in an attempt to force out the players that might be trying to get a high hand. It didn't really work out, but I guess my hand still has a nice equity there. Would you consider three-betting there, or is it likely that my hand is too far behind in both directions to make that play profitable?

I actually made up some possible hands for my opponents at fifth street. It seems like my EV is so good that I should probably just jam the pot:

pokenum -mc 500000 -7s8 2d 4s as 6c 6h - 2s 7d 3c 5h 8d - qs td ts 9s ad - ah 8h 7c kc 3h / 4c tc 9d 9h
7-card Stud Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 4s 6c 2d 6h 44104 135585 364415 0 237438 36717 53 0.373
2s 3c 8d 7d 5h 11525 32140 467860 0 183103 316516 381 0.215
Qs Ts 9s Ad Td 0 255591 244409 0 0 0 0 0.256
Kc 7c Ah 8h 3h 5701 76684 423316 0 79078 195159 328 0.156


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