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praios 11-27-2007 04:42 PM

set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$100.00</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$99.55</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$140.90</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$154.30</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$123.10</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$136.40</font>)

Pre-flop: ($1.5, 6 players) Hero is CO 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.5, BB checks

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6, 6 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets $4</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $18</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#777777">SB folds</font>, BB calls $14

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($42, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $21</font>, BB calls $21

Final Pot: $84

villian is 71/9/2/23

sneaks619 11-27-2007 04:50 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
he wouldn't check turn and river with 4-7 or probabaly not with 2-4 after you checked behind him on the turn. (but he might so that's the only hand you should be worried about at this point. Your raise on the flop is fine cause you have the OE straight draw to go with your set. Value betting your set i think is ok considering how the hand is played. He might call you with 2 pair or a lower set. What did he have?

praios 11-27-2007 04:53 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
is not betting the turn fine also? and how much to bet on the river?

CrushinFelt 11-27-2007 04:54 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
That's pretty thin on the river in an unraised pot. This is a little different than the other thread where there's only one straight possible. I think that makes this more of a check behind because 24xx becomes a large part of his range here.

sondring 11-27-2007 04:55 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
I'd say turn is questionable, though probably closer to a bet against passive calling stations. The only reason to check is because getting CR would suck a lot.

As played river VB is perfect.

CrushinFelt 11-27-2007 04:58 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
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I'd say turn is questionable, though probably closer to a bet against passive calling stations. The only reason to check is because getting CR would suck a lot.

As played river VB is perfect.

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To get value from what? I don't see anything calling other than 24.

sondring 11-27-2007 05:01 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
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To get value from what? I don't see anything calling other than 24.

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shrug. people are stupid. I got called by a naked QQ on a K5T3K board yesterday after betting the flop and checking the turn. I had K5xx.

Rob121 11-27-2007 05:51 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
i dont see why you are raising the flop here.

wazz 11-27-2007 05:56 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
I don't know why anyone wouldn't raise this flop. Bet the turn as well, give him a chance to fold 24.

sondring 11-27-2007 05:59 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
If he called the flop raise I don't think he ever plans on folding 24 on that turn.

Rob121 11-27-2007 05:59 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
oh didnt see the redraws to nut sraight yeah raising is fine. get it all in on flop if possible

wire 11-27-2007 06:16 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
I don't like turn check. Villain could have 24 and be scared that you have 47. Why reraise the flop if you're going to check the turn? Nothing changed. You still have a huge draw and villain has the azz end of a straight (or middle, bottom set).

Checking screws up your line. Bet the turn.

Kala1928 11-28-2007 06:51 AM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
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If he called the flop raise I don't think he ever plans on folding 24 on that turn.

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Yet people sometimes do. Even if he didnt he might fold on the river!

RoundTower 11-28-2007 08:12 AM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
I'd bet the turn. I think it's very possible you fold out 24, or get called by a lower set, or maybe he has some weak draw that peeled and picked up hearts.

Also I'd usually raise preflop, it's not a big mistake either way though.

grizy 11-28-2007 08:14 AM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
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I don't know why anyone wouldn't raise this flop. Bet the turn as well, give him a chance to fold 24.

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Correct line here. You aren't getting value out of many hands and once you checked the turn you basically gave up realistic chances of folding out 24.

praios 11-28-2007 10:59 AM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
i think a guy like this would never fold 24 here. why should i turn my hand into a bluff than i still have outs and a c/r really would suck

RoundTower 11-28-2007 04:41 PM

Re: set+oesd turnplay? riverplay?
 
a c/r wouldn't "really suck" here, you are snap calling it. Also if the guy wouldn't ever fold 24, what do you think he will do with 55 or 33 which probably do better against your range, but you have crushed in this spot? Especially a hand like 554x, you are guaranteed to get some value here.


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