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registrar 02-22-2007 08:03 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
This is a [censored] spot. I don't know what the timebank is on FTP, but I probably databse the guy, see he's won nothing and call because AK is the nuts, you don't have a king and he's tricked you into betting the river by checking behind on the turn. I think it's easier to fold with a flush here.

BlueEcho 02-22-2007 08:04 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
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Also, if you think his flop call is suspicious, then cc river maybe best.

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This is what I was thinking

mikeJ 02-22-2007 09:19 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
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um..lol

easiest call ever

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Columbo, you're wrong. The fact that you're "lol"ing @ gboro makes me think you're a joke @ the tables and pisses me off.

stevepa 02-22-2007 09:24 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
check call is awful...if you check it's to cr all in which is probably a lot worse than just betting because no one value bets or bluffs enough. Call now even though you're beat pretty often.

mikeJ 02-22-2007 09:31 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
Value Raising Range: 8x/88/99/JJ/KK; Possibly AK/KQ/KJ/AA

How often is he bluffing? Pretty much never.

Ok, so how many 8x hands are in his range? Well, you beat 87/86/85/8T/8A. I think a lot of players will fold all of those hands to a raise, so I would say the 8x hands should be heavily discounted from his range.

How likely is he to be overvaluing AK/KQ/KJ/AA? I don't think it's very likely that he's shoving w/ 1 pair of kings, that's a pretty bad play that I don't think a lot of players will do, so unless you have a read that he's terrible and/or overplays hands, I would discount these hands from his range as well.

His line fits 88/99/JJ pretty well, KK is somewhat less likely because of the flatcall preflop.

You're getting ~4 to 1. So does he show up w/ a worse hand 20% of the time? I don't think he does.

mlagoo 02-22-2007 10:06 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
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C/C >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Bet/Fold

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lol no

uclabruinz 02-22-2007 10:14 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
Bet/fold is probably right, but I doubt I can do it.

TheNewf 02-22-2007 10:27 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
I think you have to call here getting huge odds. You are well behind his range though.

AragornX151 02-22-2007 10:31 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
He's going to show you A8 or the like more than a boat IMO. Easy call.

watevs 02-22-2007 11:17 PM

Re: going into check/fold mode then hitting your hand
 
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C/C >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Bet/Fold

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lol no

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