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heyyo2 11-16-2007 08:21 PM

What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
There are a lot of disagreeeonment on the top 10 starting hands you can have in holdem once it gets past the 4th one. For instance most sites say AA, KK, QQ, AK as the best 4 starting hands. Then some people who write articles say JJ is the 5th whereas another site has AQ as the 5th best starting hand. Then i read some ridiculous article that has KQ as the 6th and then AJ as 7th and AK offsuit as the 8th.

Personally I think Phil Hellmuths top ten starting hands
AA, KK, QQ, AKs, JJ, 1010, 99, 88, AQs and 77 is the best .

What are the top 10 starting hands? I know some people disagree with one another but having KQ and AJ both suited doesn't seem to be a top 10 hand to me. Also, what are your top 10 starting hands in Cash game versus MTT/sngs?

jay_shark 11-16-2007 08:56 PM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
According to www.pokerroom.com the top ten starting hands in "limit" hold em is :

AA,kk,QQ,AKs,JJ,AQs,AK,1010,AQ,99

The top 10 starting hands should be the top ten in any format .

Vetgirig 11-16-2007 09:17 PM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
If all ten players on a table go all-in preflop the following hands is the 10 best hands to have in the following order - the following is thus the best hands in a multiway situation:

AA KK QQ AKs JJ AQs KQs AJs TT AKo

Since all players go all-in, suited hands get high values because of the chance to hit a flush.

PS AA wins 309 times out of 1000 and AKo wins 163 times out of 1000 while KQs actually wins 177 times out of 1000.

RustyBrooks 11-16-2007 09:18 PM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
When I did simulations a while back I saw some slight differences in rankings when you started reducing the number of players. I'd have to go back and look again to remember what they are and possibly they did not affect the highest 10.

jay_shark 11-16-2007 09:48 PM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
I double checked and noticed that kqs ranks above a-q0 and below pocket 10's .

heyyo2 11-16-2007 09:56 PM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
what would be the top 10 starting hands in cash game?

RustyBrooks 11-17-2007 12:10 AM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
Why would you expect the top 10 hands to be different in a cash game?

heyyo2 11-17-2007 12:50 AM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
WEll because hands like AJs and KQs are considered trouble hands. Someone said that in a cash game it isn't that much of a trouble hand because you can let it go if you dont hit and if u do hit, you have a very good kicker.

In a tournament, you will go all the way and lose with it because your opponent will have a bigger kicker. NOt sure if i am phrasing it right.

RustyBrooks 11-17-2007 12:54 AM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
People overemphasize the difference between cash and tournaments. In my experience the difference exists mostly at the times when your stack gets low enough that standard opening or completion bets represent a significant portion of your stack. (Or, if your opponent meets this criteria) This can happen in NL too if you let it, or want it to, but when you bust out, probably you can rebuy.

Anyway, in general these hands are just as much trouble in cash games as they are in tournaments, and if you can release it in a cash game, you can release it in a tournament.

heyyo2 11-17-2007 01:11 AM

Re: What are the top 10 starting hands in holdem?
 
Would you all prefer AQs over AKo?


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