10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

Reads: I'm new at the table. Villain is data-mined as "ultra-aggressor" on my PT when this hand plays out... something like 36/15/3 with steals attempted 33.33% of the time (all this over 200+ hands). I think his range is very wide here, including his calling range since he is IP vs. an unknown.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $21.15
UTG+1: $3.10
CO: $3.95
Button: $19.60
Hero: $11
BB: $10.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $0.35</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.2</font>, BB folds, Button calls.

<font color="blue"> I 3-bet since it'll take the pot down a good amount of the time and force villain to reconsider steal range. If I'm called I have pretty good implied odds if I spike my set in a RR pot. </font>

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($2.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $2</font>, Button calls.

<font color="blue">I bet flop because I'm very likely to have the best hand, and if I check/face a bet I won't know where I'm at. Plus I have momentum and there's decent FE here. If he raises me, I'll give consideration to a push and to a fold. A serious raise probably lets me fold correctly. If he just calls I plan to push any rag (non-diamond low card) as I feel high-cards make a big part of his range. </font>

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero is all-in $7.8</font>, Button folds.
Uncalled bets: $7.8 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $6.5

Too aggressive? Too stupid? Standard? Comments/Praise/Flame would be wonderful.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I like this play alot i think you played it fine. villain probably often has Ax or any to picture cards. The only cards that i would fear in this hand are suited connectors which are often played from the button as a steal atempt.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I think you played this well, but there might be something to be said for slowing down on the turn since you're building a big pot without a big hand. I do agree that you're likely ahead of villains range and pre-flop and flop look standard given reads.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

there is no reason to lead flop and dont lead that river.
villain calls flop bet with a flush draw or a nine in his hand.
the only hand villain calls the turn bet is a made flush.
good play.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

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I think you played this well, but there might be something to be said for slowing down on the turn since you're building a big pot without a big hand. I do agree that you're likely ahead of villains range and pre-flop and flop look standard given reads.

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My hand is probably best but very vulnerable. If he has a flush (I don't think he does) I go broke, but I CAN'T give a free card here. Am I wrong?

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I vary preflop here between your line and set mining, depending on whether I think villains would pay off...by just calling, you're giving BB good odds, and your implied odds are pretty high. But against such an aggressive button stealer, my "default" is to 3-bet as you did.

I think the flop bet is fine since overcards are obviously a huge part of his range. But since he's ultra aggressive, you need to be prepared for a raise on the flop.

I'm a little nervous when the ultra aggressive guy just calls the flop bet, but really we don't know how he plays, so it's not that huge of a deal. However, you're so likely to be behind when he calls the turn, that I would just check. I'd call a bet from him since he'll bet with a wide range, but I don't think a free card here is terrible, either, if he decides to check.

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I agree- no free cards. He probably has overs with one of them being a diamond so was willing to call small flop bet. If he flopped the flush, your dead anyways and he might reraise flop bet unless nut flush. On turn you have OESD which gives you more outs so I like your line.

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I think you played this well, but there might be something to be said for slowing down on the turn since you're building a big pot without a big hand. I do agree that you're likely ahead of villains range and pre-flop and flop look standard given reads.

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My hand is probably best but very vulnerable. If he has a flush (I don't think he does) I go broke, but I CAN'T give a free card here. Am I wrong?

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Why can't you give a free card? First of all, since you've noted that he's ultra aggressive, you are probably not giving the best card, and anyway, his betting range is probably wider than his calling range. If you knew for sure you were ahead and that your opponent was unlikely to bet, then yes, giving up a free card is not so good, but it's not clear that both of those things are true here. Change the opponent read to passive, and I'd like a bet much more.

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I agree- no free cards. He probably has overs with one of them being a diamond so was willing to call small flop bet. If he flopped the flush, your dead anyways and he might reraise flop bet unless nut flush. On turn you have OESD which gives you more outs so I like your line.

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Wouldn't you expect an ultra aggressive player to raise the flop with overcards that include a large diamond?

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I would seriously play this differently: I would not 3bet on NL10 with small pairs, I will only flat call to flop a set and then get paid off. You have a low PP on the flop OOP and your lead will often take it down, but I would genreally slow down on turn (even if i get floated then) because I really dont want to play for stacks with this, there is better opportunities, especially against a very aggro player like this

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

This turn is serious spew, there's so many one pair flush draw combos that simply will NOT fold.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

Why not just call PF OOP?

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I love the 3-bet. The 3-bet range for a lot of 10NLers is the same as their 4-bet range. The button folds preflop a lot here.

On the turn, your options are pretty much check or push. Unless he's slowplaying a monster, the villain can't think he's good here.

nh!

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I don't want to come across as being argumentative, but I'm just looking for some clarification on some points. Everyone seems to agree that flop is fine but that the turn is questionable, so I think that more turn discussion would be very instructive.

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This turn is serious spew, there's so many one pair flush draw combos that simply will NOT fold.

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I'm not an expert hand reader, but I'm fairly certain he's pairless. Also, doesn't an aggro player raise flop with such a hand? But what about a better pair with no FD? I can't see how he can call the flop with that holding, so there's value in making him fold it.

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I'm a little nervous when the ultra aggressive guy just calls the flop bet, but really we don't know how he plays, so it's not that huge of a deal. However, you're so likely to be behind when he calls the turn, that I would just check. I'd call a bet from him since he'll bet with a wide range, but I don't think a free card here is terrible, either, if he decides to check.

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Why can't you give a free card? First of all, since you've noted that he's ultra aggressive, you are probably not giving the best card, and anyway, his betting range is probably wider than his calling range.

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The aversion to the free card is that I won't know if it beat me or not, making the river harder to play. I see your point about his betting range being larger than his calling range, but are you advocating a smooth call or CRAI? If I call a turn bet the pot's so large relative to stacks I think I call any river, so why not get it in while I'm probably ahead of his range and have outs if I'm not?

I suppose the main reason that I did as I did was that betting the pot put 1/3 of my stack in the pot, and a major point of PNL is that it's generally bad to put more than a third in and folding. So on the flop (given my read) I committed to my hand with my bet and the turn didn't give me new info that would convince me to give up, so is it not better to be the bettor?

Thanks to all for their input. Sorry to try to drum up more attention, but I think there's still some untapped value to the hand.

EDIT: Might there also be some meta-game value here? My standard lines are much less aggressive, so setting up a fast table image makes my bread and butter more profitable, yeah?

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

Well played, I like it.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

well played, good turn push. Turn gives you 14 outs vs a set, and he rarely has a set here.

Re: 10NL - Defending blinds with low PP... Too aggro?
 

I think you played it well but I also think you got lucky. On the turn your hand has so much equity against so many hands. Most of the time you are looking at a board on the turn like QT37 with two clubs or something and you just hate poker, where if you are behind you are drawing to two outs, and you are often behind, and if you are ahead your opponent often has a gazillion outs.