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seat_empty 09-30-2007 09:48 AM

nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
Villain's first hand at the table (notice he posted oop, checked and then overcalled). I never know what to do against shorties like this. I feel like he'd shove any pocket pair and maybe some other junk, but i never really know. how often is this anything other than Qx?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($9.35)
UTG ($9)
MP ($27.95)
CO ($32.30)
Hero ($32.25)
SB ($7.40)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls $3.25, MP folds.

Flop: ($8.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $5.5 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???

1tripz1 09-30-2007 10:42 AM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
I might raise more pre flop, to like $4.5 which would make the call easier if villian still over calls.

As played i would probably still call, were getting about 2.5-1 and any pair is in his range here.

Miko 09-30-2007 10:44 AM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
I min-raise here a lot.

Astyanax 09-30-2007 11:49 AM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
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I might raise more pre flop, to like $4.5 which would make the call easier if villian still over calls.

As played i would probably still call, were getting about 2.5-1 and any pair is in his range here.

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this is very sound.

whyzze 09-30-2007 11:54 AM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
3.5 is perfect preflop.

Instacall.

Nogatsira 09-30-2007 11:56 AM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
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I min-raise here a lot.

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1) don't advice people to minraise .. EVER
2) how are you going to reraise someone who just shoved all-in?
3) explain the use of your advice. What would a minraise accomplish even if he had money behind?

Miko 09-30-2007 12:25 PM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I min-raise here a lot.

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1) don't advice people to minraise .. EVER
2) how are you going to reraise someone who just shoved all-in?
3) explain the use of your advice. What would a minraise accomplish even if he had money behind?

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Not min-raising cause 2+2-ers have a min-raisefobia is just stupid.

Nogatsira 09-30-2007 12:49 PM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I min-raise here a lot.

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1) don't advice people to minraise .. EVER
2) how are you going to reraise someone who just shoved all-in?
3) explain the use of your advice. What would a minraise accomplish even if he had money behind?

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Not min-raising cause 2+2-ers have a min-raisefobia is just stupid.

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You give odds to call like almost anytime and I don't really see what information you'll get out of it if you minraise here

1tripz1 09-30-2007 01:11 PM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
He cant min raise anyway coz the player is all in and they are HU?

Also never min raise.

seat_empty 09-30-2007 01:34 PM

Re: nl25, JJ vs a shorstack donk shove
 
I stoved the range i put him on which was [22+, Qt+] and it's basically a flip (47:53) so i did have the right odds to call. Hell my range might even be a little too tight. Just wanted to see what others thought

I must be out of the loop on this minraise business, but i'm assuming it's some kind of troll.


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