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mewalrus 12-01-2007 04:27 PM

Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
Villian is running 57 16 2.2
PokerStars $3/$6 Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, MP calls, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#FF0000">MP 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, MP calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP caps!</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP raises</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">MP caps!</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

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larm 12-01-2007 04:33 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
Dont show results. Beats can be posted in th nc/lc thread. I would just c/c river or call river raise if opponent is a complete spewtard. His c/c flop - cap turn suggests slowplay with AQ AA.

milesdyson 12-01-2007 04:33 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
yes. true ballers would call down the turn raise.

istewart 12-01-2007 04:34 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
I might checkcall the flop and just checkcall down from there. I think you're getting raised a lot and of course you have to showdown vs. some LRRing donk.

Too much action on the river. Probably checkraise and call a 3-bet at the table, but even that is probably excessive. Obviously it's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback this, but his line screams AA (possibility of QQ) and it would be weird for him to show up with something else. Checkcall river looks okay.

[miles] Fold to the turn cap [/miles]

istewart 12-01-2007 04:35 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
^^

mewalrus 12-01-2007 04:41 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
seems AK and AQ could play this way?

mewalrus 12-01-2007 04:43 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
i don't know but i've seen people cap with less, i know i would never fold this.

milesdyson 12-01-2007 05:06 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
you capped his limp reraise preflop and bet/3bet QAQK. why would he go nuts with AK unless he is 100% awesome steven seagal strong arm poker demon?
there are 6 combos of AQ and 4 combos of either AA/QQ. he limp reraised. AA/QQ are undiscounted. AQ is discounted.

true baller: call down turn raise.
user #363: complete preflop, c/f flop UI.
soul crusher: raise preflop to allow limp reraise with aces. cap preflop knowingly vs. aces. OPEN FOLD FLOP UI.
h3isenborg/oink/TLAG (tough lag): standard never fold. if you don't overplay KK here for metagame you never get paid off.
oink (alone): i play so awesome that people show up with Q2 here.
solid_p: 6th streets a king, betting somehow goes uncapped, and he wins 100 bb.
ILP: i wouldn't even be playing at this table.
Hip41: wow easy call down.
rzk/vmacosta: filter your PT for KK in the SB. let me know the bb/100.
istewart: impersonates milesdyson
sethypooh: is too busy playing ultimate frisbee.
chezlaw: Taking the piss.
NinaWilliams: lolflop.
RudeboyOI: well
this hand is somewhat
inevitable,
and sometimes you
just lose these ones.
DeathDonkey/Joe Tall: Watch our newest videos for in-depth discussion of poker-theory.
Stellarwind: 2 short paragraphs and a 3-item list.
mvoss: Gurravasa, you are an idiot and I wish you would die in a grease fire.
sssh: mvoss that was harsh.

larm 12-01-2007 05:10 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
lol! insta bookmark!

Joe Tall 12-01-2007 06:44 PM

Re: Ouch, should I have slowed down on the river?
 
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In light of my recent QQ-post, I think you should have said, "DD: 3-bet, call a 4-bet, check-raise the river. Joe Tall: 3-bet, call a 4-bet, bet fold the river" LOL! ***NOTE, This isnt how we would play this hand***


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