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anthb7210p 11-21-2007 02:17 AM

25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
Versus an unknown out of position?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $27.35
CO: $24.50
BTN: $39.45
SB: $15.10
Hero (BB): $26.30
UTG: $35.60

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)

payoff wizard 11-21-2007 02:30 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
Interesting hand. I think I go into pot control on the turn and check/call. If villain bets turn, i check/call river unless i hit another jack. If villain checks turn behind, I lead river for ~pot, and pray villain doesn't shove. If villain shoves, I think I fold.

Berky 11-21-2007 02:33 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
3bet pf against button raiser. I really hate playing this hand OOP.

as played. Check call turn. Like payoff said if he checks turn I lead river for 3/4 pot to pot.

payoff wizard 11-21-2007 02:37 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
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3bet pf against button raiser. I really hate playing this hand OOP.

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I agree, but know plenty of good players that like calling.

anthb7210p 11-21-2007 02:49 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
why is c/c superior to b/c, b/f, or c/r? If we check and villan checks behind, and then heart, T, or Q hits on river, are you still leading?

z28dreams 11-21-2007 02:55 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
Could someone please explain why we aren't betting this turn for value?

I lead this turn every time.

payoff wizard 11-21-2007 03:04 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
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why is c/c superior to b/c, b/f, or c/r?

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IMHO, c/c on turn is preferable to b/c, b/f and c/r, because we don't particularly want to fold our 2 pair, and, as villain's range includes all the hands that crush us already (AA, KK, 66, JJ, Q10), we shouldn't be looking to get AI unless we fill up with a J. Therefore, c/c is the best line because it is the most likely to get us to showdown without going AI.

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If we check and villan checks behind, and then heart, T, or Q hits on river, are you still leading?

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I probably lead river for less (`1/2 pot), call a min raise, and fold to a shove.

gfejs 11-21-2007 03:16 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
I think you have too bet this turn too protect your hand, and I would be shoving any three bet. So many ugly river cards. And u will be called by many weaker aces draws.

bingrich 11-21-2007 03:41 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
Lead turn for value/protection. Your hand is strong but vulnerable w/ draw heavy board.

payoff wizard 11-21-2007 03:47 AM

Re: 25NL whats the best plan on this turn?
 
I think the idea that we should be 'protecting' our hand is a strange one to have when we could so easily be behind.


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