200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

Villain here is a 30/14/1.3

UTG: $187.60
UTG+1: $192
Hero (UTG+2): $200
MP1: $506.05
MP2: $231.90
CO: $458.70
BTN: $200
SB: $121.40
BB: $45

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $7, 3 folds

Flop: ($17) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $13</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $26</font>, Hero calls $13

Turn: ($69) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $34</font>, <font color="red">Hero ??

<font color="black"> Should I just call here given this price? If I call and don't improve, am I ever good as is? Is this weak bet a chance to steal by shoving/raising? </font>

Re: 200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

I shove here sometimes.

Re: 200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

I'd seriously consider 3betting this flop and I def call this turn bet. SABR's idea has it's benefits, too, though...

Re: 200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

is shoving the turn too much of an overbet?

what about raising to 80 so we can shove ~100 on river?

Re: 200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

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what about raising to 80 so we can shove ~100 on river?

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I like that line if you have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] instead...

Re: 200NL - KK on A high monotone flop
 

I think Alex and SABR42 have great advice, so instead of quoting them (like I should) I'll offer an alternative.


Minbet the flop and 3bet shove. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]


As goofy as this sounds, I think it has real merit.

a) Villain will likely fold any ace-x where x isn't a heart.

b) If villain shoves, you won't be getting odds to call if he has an ace or a set so you can fold.

c) If villain makes a small. feeler type reraise, you can shove (repping a weak lead with a made flush, gaining max FE and denying sets the odds to boat up (assuming their raise size allows for this)

d) It's fun!

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what about raising to 80 so we can shove ~100 on river?

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I like that line if you have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] instead...

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I like all my options better if I have that hand instead.

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what about raising to 80 so we can shove ~100 on river?

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I like that line if you have K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] instead...

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I like all my options better if I have that hand instead.

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Well obv.

I just meant that since you don't have the nuts, you'd like some FE. Small turn raise + half-pot river push does not have a lot of FE...