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fees 10-29-2007 02:38 AM

So I flatted AK and got there
 
But I has no idea wtf to do, [censored] hearts=/

UTG is a tigher TAG, something like 17/12, no history. Somewhat on the passive side, as far as tags go. Other guy is like 37/11, donk, not particularly aggressive.

Do I raise or call, and with the intention of doing what on the turn?

Full Tilt Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $441
BB: $299.80
UTG: $457
CO: $400
Hero (BTN): $525.45

Pre-Flop: Ahttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $14</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $14, SB folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($44) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $32</font>, <font color="red">Hero </font>

Also I called OTB just to mix it up, we had no history, though if we've ever played before he might think I get out of line 3betting preflop. There was a player that liked to squeeze form time to time in the blinds which is mostly why i made the call.

raze 10-29-2007 03:09 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
Gotta raise, you're ahead of Ace + heart.

Hoopster81 10-29-2007 03:10 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
PF is fine

call?

fees 10-29-2007 04:01 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
mmk so if I raise obv it goes in, if I call whats my non-heart turn action, whats my action if the other guy riaseS?

markuisis 10-29-2007 04:03 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
call, fold to a raise from passive donk and re-evalutate turn against utg if donk folds.

Kwantum 10-29-2007 05:09 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
Call. On heart turn if you're led into I think it's an easy fold given UTG's description, otherwise check behind. On a blank turn, if bet into I probably keep calling down, UTG can easily be betting worse, otherwise I make a hefty bet if checked to and evaluate from there.

It's unlikely he flopped a flush and I think you still can get some value from his other hands like AQ/AJ/KK/QQ/JJ with a heart in his hand.

Also, you're severely under-repped here. I like calling the flop, not putting in a raise. Control the pot, you maximize when he's semibluffing worse that he normally might check/fold on a less drawy board, and you minimize losses when he happened to flop a set, flush, or is freerolling with Ah Kh.

Cliff notes: call flop

Pog0 10-29-2007 08:03 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
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mmk so if I raise obv it goes in, if I call whats my non-heart turn action, whats my action if the other guy riaseS?

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if non-heart turn, get all in. if heart turn, don't get all in.

CopTHIS 10-29-2007 08:13 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
I def vote call too.

jfish 10-29-2007 08:16 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
wow raising is so bad. call.

whorasaurus 10-29-2007 08:47 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
call flop, bet/raise non-heart turn

jaywks 10-29-2007 09:08 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
i vote call as well

VictorEnriq 10-29-2007 09:28 AM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
Why is raising so bad? I don't think it's "so" bad. True it's better waiting for a safe turn, but I don't think flop raise is all that bad. Besides by not raising we're giving the bb odds to call J high.

shootaa 10-29-2007 03:54 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
sounds familiar...

fees 10-29-2007 03:56 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
hero calls $32
ritesimp folds
*** TURN *** [3h Ah 6h] [5s] [Pot: $110]
The Great Hug bets $80
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero raises $220

turn goes like this?

AcTiOnJaCsOn 10-29-2007 03:59 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
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hero calls $32
ritesimp folds
*** TURN *** [3h Ah 6h] [5s] [Pot: $110]
The Great Hug bets $80
hero has 15 seconds left to act
hero raises $220

turn goes like this?

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meh i dont like this, probably again just call

Praetor 10-29-2007 04:02 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
no just call again

EgoSlasher 10-29-2007 04:04 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
I don't think raising is horrible at all given we flatted pf. But if you want to get creative calling and trying to get stacks in on the turn is also fine. Neither option is "bad"

Hoopster81 10-29-2007 04:05 PM

Re: So I flatted AK and got there
 
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no just call again

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