The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

$8,500 guaranteed $69+$6 6-handed double stack MTT on Full Tilt. Final table has been in progress for about 15 minutes with no casualties. Everyone seems to be able to play, and there have been quite a few steals and resteals, but as yet, no all in showdowns. This was the first time I'd seen anyone open limp at the final table:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t2500/t5000
(Ante: t600)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t91398
UTG+1: t39154
Hero: t113323
Button: t83148
SB: t74029
BB: t84948

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls t5000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t11100)</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t20000</font>, 3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in t90798</font>, Hero ???

Is his range here really just AA/KK? I've seen this move made by middle pairs and AK quite often, but is he really doing this against the only guy that can bust him?

For what it's worth, this is the payout structure:


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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

This is AA.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

you will see AKsuited, AQ suited, AA, KK, occasionally JJ and TT. Occasionally a resteal, but i'd only give it Harrington's 10%.

My thought is that my M=10, effecive m less than that if I fold. Very tough.

If basically every hand had been raised PF, no showdowns, and it was turning into a PF game, I have to go with it. Especially 6 handed, you have to play this.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

Oh, one thing I forgot to mention was the chat. I don't know if this affects anything...

Swisterski raises to 90,798, and is all in
thesilkworm: aaaaaaaaagh
SecretOfMana: lolz
thesilkworm: that stinks of AA
thesilkworm has 15 seconds left to act
Swisterski: nope
thesilkworm: KK?

At this point my time was running out and I made my decision.

Edit: Oh btw, the person who said "lolz" was just one of the other players at the table. Villain was the player who said "nope".

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

Im not a guy that folds QQ preflop. Basically never.

I fold them here.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

i call, You will see lots of hands besides AA and KK. Though his chat does scare, but he might be thinking on a higher level. lol.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

I'd fold. I'm a tight nit, though. Wait...

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

turn the chat off.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

Call and it's not really close.

Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
 

Look, this a tough one no question. If you fold you are at about 93K, more than enough to move into top 3 in pay out. What is more important to you the $ or the win? However, this smells of AA/KK. If I were UTG here I'd limp w/ AA or KK if I hadn't done it yet. I would fold here, I've been in your shoes a few times in similar situations and my opponent turned over AA/KK/AK. Fold, look at your stack you got enough to move up.