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speedle 11-13-2007 10:10 PM

[x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
So, for shizzle dogs.

Villain is running at 20/4/1.5 over 30 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP2: $4.60
CO: $24.65
BTN: $25.25
SB: $24.75
BB: $4.30
UTG: $6.70
UTG+1: $51.20
Hero (UTG+2): $28.05
MP1: $42.70

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25, BTN calls $1.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $1, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($5.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, 2 folds

Turn: ($15.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $7.25</font>, Hero ?

RapidEvolution 11-13-2007 10:19 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
I'm assuming you checked turn to fold if bet to. While I hate the idea of c/f'ing here, hands that beats us 55/77/88/99/TT/TJ and 2 diamonds make up a good part of his range. What's worse is that we're drawing to 2 outs if villain has 77/88/99. I'd fold and go kick something.




CaptVimes 11-13-2007 10:29 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
You have ten outs here to boat up. Villain in his infinite wisdom gives you over 3 to 1 pot odds plus 11.15 left in his stack. You need about 4 to 1 to break even (including rake). So if you hit your boat on the river do you think you can extract another 7.50-8 out of villain? If he's got a flush or a straight you'll likely get the rest of his stack.

RapidEvolution 11-13-2007 10:41 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
Ehhh...Capt's right. You've got 20% equity vs his range, are getting 3-1 on the turn, and are very likely going to get stacks in if you fill up and can easily get out if you don't.

TheBad 11-13-2007 10:44 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
I donīt think that it makes a difference in the longterm if you call or fold here. I call, but i am a calling station.

speedle 11-13-2007 10:45 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
[ QUOTE ]
You have ten outs here to boat up. Villain in his infinite wisdom gives you over 3 to 1 pot odds plus 11.15 left in his stack. You need about 4 to 1 to break even (including rake). So if you hit your boat on the river do you think you can extract another 7.50-8 out of villain? If he's got a flush or a straight you'll likely get the rest of his stack.

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Exfrigginactly.

Turn: ($15.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $7.25</font>, Hero calls $7.25

River: ($30.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $11.15 and is All-In</font>, Hero ?

So, now the board reads a Ten high str8 and my read of villain at the time was some kind of overpair. What to do? Easy call given that i'm receiving 4 to 1?

GiantBuddha 11-13-2007 10:50 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
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So, now the board reads a Ten high str8 and my read of villain at the time was some kind of overpair. What to do? Easy fold given that i'm receiving 1.4 to 1?

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FYP

RapidEvolution 11-13-2007 10:51 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
Why do you assume villain cold-called preflop with an overpair? It's very rare (unless you have a read) that villain's doing that with QQ/KK/AA). If they are on an overpair, it's most likely to be JJ thinking you'll call to split the pot. I just can't see that hand betting out on the turn. We didn't fill up on the river and I can't see us calling here and winning...even 20% of the time.

da_fume 11-13-2007 11:40 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
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So, now the board reads a Ten high str8 and my read of villain at the time was some kind of overpair. What to do? Easy fold given that i'm receiving 1.4 to 1?

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FYP

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More like 1.85 to 1.

GiantBuddha 11-13-2007 11:48 PM

Re: [x] Hate this spot. NL25.
 
[ QUOTE ]
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So, now the board reads a Ten high str8 and my read of villain at the time was some kind of overpair. What to do? Easy fold given that i'm receiving 1.4 to 1?

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FYP

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More like 1.85 to 1.

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er... no. You win his bet exactly never. so 30/2:11 or 15:11 ~ 1.4:1. In fact, it's worse than 1.4:1.


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