I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

- TwinFives sitting in seat 1 with $161.70
- Mewn87 sitting in seat 2 with $271.71
- Jordan_H sitting in seat 3 with $97.46 [Dealer]
- NilPferD sitting in seat 4 with $115.03
- Hero sitting in seat 5 with $96.40
- smox sitting in seat 6 with $55.33
NilPferD posted the small blind - $0.50
Hero posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Hero: King of Clubs, King of Spades
smox called - $1.00
TwinFives raised - $5.00
Mewn87 raised - $16.00
Jordan_H folded
NilPferD folded
Hero...

Original raiser is like 20/15 and the 3-betor is LAG:ier, like 25/20. No other reads.

I guess I'm not folding, and I hate all options. Calling leaves us in a lot of [censored]: 3-way pot (probably) oop without knowing a [censored]. Raising folds a lot of his worse hands and a shove from his part is almost always AA I guess.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

4bet, call shove. Now if you have like 200bbs+ it is interesting, but this is really straightforward imo.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

4-betting or shoving are both fine. Slight preference for shoving. Folding is just not an option here. It becomes a bit more interesting if you're really deep, or if the original raiser is like 10/5 and being reraised by a another 10/5 or whatever - but as is, this is a very standard and great spot to try to get it in preflop.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I think orig raiser could have a very wide range - AK or even worse, any pair etc. Re-raiser's range is narrower but having position on orig raiser still wide including pairs say 10+ AK etc. Of those two ranges you beat everything but AA so I wouldn't even consider folding.

What about call/shove on any non-ace flop and get called by QQ? That or just shove pre-flop and still possibly get called by QQ?

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Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I prefer raising to 38 or so rather than shoving because you will get a call from AK, whereas if you overbet shove I think AK can fold

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

Raising to $38 in this spot looks INCREDIBLY strong - much much stronger than shoving for certain.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I guess it depends on your image. i would raise to 38 here with QQ+ and AK+ against everyone, and it would widen against a light 3bettor

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

I flat this a lot and get it in on most non-ace flops.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

Cold calling a 3 bet OOP looks just as strong to any thinking player. I just shove here.

Re: I hate these spots: KK preflop oop facing raise and reraise
 

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I flat this a lot and get it in on most non-ace flops.

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