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Professorn 11-15-2007 12:38 PM

Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
This is not played in $, it's played in "swedish kronor" (kind of a $1/2 game with 200BB buyin, 5max)

I had no reason to believe that villain where trying to make a move on me or that he would try to run some crazy bluff, haven't seen him do anything REALLY stupid but he is not the best of players for sure.

finnfemfel is 46/8/1.41 (aggr by street 1.2/1.33/1.8)
I'm a solid tag

BossMedia Game #503827295: Table Frida Turbo 8 - $7.50/$15.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:39:06 - 2007/11/12
Seat 1: maria_luu ($479.84)
Seat 2: konjak15 ($965.46)
Seat 3: Hero ($3066.17)
Seat 4: finnfemfel ($1413.04)
Seat 5: Maximus1 ($2319.65)
Hero posts the big blind of $15.00
konjak15 posts the small blind of $7.50
maria_luu is the button
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [5s Ks]
finnfemfel calls $15.00
Maximus1 calls $15.00
maria_luu folds
konjak15 folds
Hero checks

-a few limpers, let's see a flop.

*** FLOP *** [2d Js 9s]
Hero bets $45.00
finnfemfel calls $45.00
Maximus1 folds

-I decide to donklead with my FD and see what happens

*** TURN *** [2d Js 9s] [6c]
Hero checks
finnfemfel bets $90.00
Hero calls $90.00

-Thought he catched some piece and decided to check i through, I am getting good odds here so I call

*** RIVER *** [2d Js 9s 6c] [2s]
Hero bets $195.00
finnfemfel goes all-in with $1263.04
Hero...?

I donklead again thinking he could put me on a flush and check behind his top pair hands. When he shove on me I'm really confident that he has a full house. I played my hand pretty face up, he didn't play his hand like a FD at all and he isn't scared that I lead into him on the river when the flush hits.

Is this logic good enough so I can make a good laydown? All comments welcomed!

coldi 11-15-2007 04:33 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
Well, i think this is a really tough spot, but i think i make a crying call here; he can have a flushdraw as well, which would match his play, maybe he's bluffshoving sth. like QT trying to represent the flush, and he could also shove a 2 or maybe even J9 or something like that.

could you send me a PM with the results?

Thanks, coldi

NLMan 11-15-2007 04:44 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
What about betting the turn to find out what he has?

LouisCyphre 11-15-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
[ QUOTE ]

-Thought he catched some piece and decided to check i through, I am getting good odds here so I call


[/ QUOTE ]

Good odds for what?

Professorn 11-15-2007 07:43 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
Ain't I getting correct odds to river the second nuts if I can get some value on the river?

Are you suggesting I am checkfolding the turn?

I'm not trying to be smart or anything, just learn but please make a reply so I can understand what you are suggesting...

Thanks in advance..

Dr_Nick 11-15-2007 10:22 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
Is there any evidence that villain would limp UTG with JJ or 99? Would he call your flop donk with 66? If not our only concern would be the nut flush and 22. You also have to consider the possibilty of him shoving a smaller flush or even a 2. If he's really good he may be turning the As into a bluff.
All that said, if you haven't seen this guy overbet shove before I think this is just about a fold.

Rakeback88.com 11-15-2007 10:35 PM

Re: Can I fold my flush on the river please?
 
You should have bet turn to find out where you were. Now you don't know and will base the decision purely on the player. Folding is probably best move.


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