Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

So I have a huge hand that is basically going to be a favorite vs. just about any range. I was planning on c/r before the cbet and small raise. Now basically any line I take looks really really strong. Just 3bet to like $65 or something? Call? If you like call then what do you do on heart turns? 8 or 10? blanks?

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

SB ($135.60)
Hero ($237.60)
UTG ($204.40)
MP1 ($181)
MP2 ($139.80)
CO ($200)
Button ($103.30)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, Button calls $6, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($19) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $25</font>, Hero ???

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

Reraise to ~$80, call shove. It's pretty unlikely that anyone will flat the $80, so I wouldn't worry too much about turn play. Btw, I might donk it $15 on this flop and shove over a raise. (I play sets like this sometimes as well).

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

I shove here. The reason is, if someone calls your raise, you're in a stupid spot on a blank turn. Get it in.

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

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I shove here. The reason is, if someone calls your raise, you're in a stupid spot on a blank turn. Get it in.

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Why is the spot so bad given button's stack? He has $100 to start the hand. If I 3bet to anything then CO is basically only calling with sets anyways given my c/3bet line. He will usually shove with his sets so that takes care of itself. I guess I'm asking why it matters and not arguing that shoving is necessarily worse, but essentially the same.

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

$110...call shove.

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

I have no information on co, so I don't know what he'll cal with. All I'm saying is that if we get called on the flop, period, we have to put money is as something like a 35% favorite w/o any FE instead of something like a 50%+ favorite with FE, so get it all in now.

Re: Maxamizing value with pair + SFD (NL200)
 

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I have no information on co, so I don't know what he'll cal with. All I'm saying is that if we get called on the flop, period, we have to put money is as something like a 35% favorite w/o any FE instead of something like a 50%+ favorite with FE, so get it all in now.

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The only problem I have with this is that an attentive player will see the 25-to-200 bet as a sign of a hand that wants as much FE as possible. If you make a smaller raise, you're still saying, "Hey, I'm committed, and I'm shoving the turn" while also making it easier to rep 88/99 here. I don't really mind him calling $110 and forcing me to bet $90 on a brick turn...by calling the flop, he and I both know that we'll be AI soon.