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DennisGPunkt 10-10-2007 01:35 PM

10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
Here are some of my losing hands of my last few sessions... I especially got trouble against half stacks.


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $10.10
Hero (UTG): $15.80
MP: $6.05
CO: $5.40
BTN: $5.20
SB: $9.90

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, MP folds, CO calls $0.35, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.75</font>, CO calls $0.75

Turn: ($2.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.60</font>, CO calls $1.60

River: ($5.55) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5.50</font>, CO calls $2.55

Results: $10.65 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$5.25 NET)
CO showed 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON $10.40 (+$5.15 NET)



Strange betting pattern.. I was totally lost in this hand. Couldn't fold the flop with TP, couldn't fold the the turnbet, which looked soo strange.. same on the river...

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $7.15
UTG: $9.60
Hero (MP): $11.55
CO: $10.10
BTN: $13.45
SB: $9.70

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.20</font>, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($3.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $0.90</font>, Hero calls $0.90

River: ($5.15) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.30</font>, Hero calls $1.30

Results: $7.75 Pot ($0.35 Rake)
UTG showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $7.40 (+$3.60 NET)
Hero mucked A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$3.80 NET)


Again another shortstack... Thought he would take the same line with a FD.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $12.95
UTG: $13.60
Hero (CO): $11.05
BTN: $3.90
SB: $11.15

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.30</font>, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.55</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.60 and is All-In</font>, Hero calls $0.10

Turn: ($7.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($7.95) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $7.95 Pot ($0.35 Rake)
Hero showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$3.90 NET)
BTN showed J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and WON $7.60 (+$3.70 NET)


flopped trips... should have folded to the riverbet, right?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $18.40
MP: $10.40
CO: $21.20
Hero (BTN): $9.85
SB: $5.95
BB: $12.75

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.30</font>, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $0.65</font>, SB folds, BB calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.20) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.35</font>, BB calls $1.35

River: ($4.90) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $2.50</font>, Hero calls $2.50

Results: $9.90 Pot ($0.45 Rake)
Hero mucked T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$4.80 NET)
BB showed T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Tens) and WON $9.45 (+$4.65 NET)


This hand was just totally wierd....

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $12.10
SB: $13
BB: $9.80
UTG: $16.60
CO: $14.75

Pre-Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.40</font>, Hero calls $0.40, SB calls $0.35, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.70) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $12.60 and is All-In</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $11.70 and is All-In

Turn: ($25.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($25.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $25.10 Pot ($1.25 Rake)
Hero mucked 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and LOST (-$12.10 NET)
SB showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a straight, Five to Nine) and WON $23.85 (+$11.75 NET)

whyzze 10-10-2007 01:41 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
ok...

post one hand at a time
include any reads/stats you had
dont include results or results oriented thread titles etc
Tell us where you think you made a mistake and so on.

wingchunflush 10-10-2007 01:44 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
In the first hand I am doingthe same thing on the flop and the turn, but not putting him all in on the river. You have second pair thisguy has something/you are beat.

The second hand I think you played it fine, the guy limped UTG with AK and value you betted you on every street I have no problem with this hand at all, i like how he bet less on he turn i guess in hopes that you would raise him

The JT hand...no need to 3 bet the flop, if you put him on a flush draw I just call and eval the turn, You have to be very certain that this is what he has, because your beat alot of the time here. I think I can actually find a fold after being raised.

the last hand is just unlucky, I play it exactly the same even if he has 95 which he did you have flush outs.
next hand is just a cooler, only 1 ten left and he has it with a better kicker nothing you can do there IMO.

CubicZirconia 10-10-2007 01:47 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
You're crushed on the river on hand one. Any jack, a king, or two diamonds all have you beat. I check and hope he checks.

TheDoubleA 10-10-2007 02:09 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
hand 1: I like the Cbet there. After that I would c/c turn, and c/f river if you dont hit the flush. (I am semi nitty)
hand 2: happens. at least you didnt put the whole stack in. Rebuy and dont worry about it.
hand 3: call his flop raise and reval turn. you are almost always beat here if this aggression stays high.
hand 4: again, happens. actually I like betting more of a pot sized bet on the turn. you are good here way more than not. His river bet SCREAMS "I HAVE A 10!!!!LDO"
hand 5: sooooo standard. rebuy and dont worry about it. again, you are good here more often than not.

JoseRijo 10-10-2007 03:31 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
I don't think any of these are horrible, but I would check the turn in hand #1.

I also think you should raise a little more pre-flop. (4+limpers) x BB works better in cash games.

ev_slave 10-10-2007 03:54 PM

Re: 10NL few of my losing hands - need help
 
::Grunch::

1) Strange betting pattern? You don't call along with the second nuts when someone's driving the action for you? I'd say either c/c or c/f the turn.

2) Open-limping w/ AK is a strange play from villain PF, but I typically get rid of AJo in this situation since it's easily dominated (although usually from later position). Calling along all the way does nothing to tell you about the strength of his hand. Raising the flop lets you see if he really is strong, after which point you begin to consider folding. Although you didn't call off much on later streets thanks to the flush hitting, a raise will usually save you some money later.

3) Again, raising with an easily dominated hand in bad position. Suited connectors are hands that are played best with large implied odds, which typically requires small preflop bets.

4) My range isn't quite that wide on the button, but overall it's OK I guess. Once you trip up on the flop it's hard not to lose... don't feel too bad about this one.

5) Playing deepstack, this PF call looks fine. After you flop the straight + FD, it's hard not to get it all in as fast as possible. I chalk this one up as a cooler.

From your first hand and a couple of your comments I get the feeling that you play flush draws too fast and expect that your opponents do too. This may not be your normal line since you've only put up a few hands, but realize that if you do this you have to have a lot of FE, which is only the case with certain opponents. Consider building smaller pots OOP and with drawing hands.


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