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rdrr 06-18-2007 04:55 PM

NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
Villian is unknown, if it matters at all.

Was this played correctly?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $10.30
BB: $24.25
Hero (UTG): $25.40
UTG+1: $23.75
MP1: $24.75
MP2: $17.15
CO: $29.00
BTN: $12.75

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8 Players)
Hero calls $0.25, 5 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $0.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $10.05</font>, Hero calls $8.05

effang 06-18-2007 04:57 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD gets c/r\'d on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
uh, you can't ask for anything better! nh! you should get this in with 200 bb stacks as well. you are only down to a larger FD, and you have huge outs against sets/2p

roll 06-18-2007 05:03 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
Looks good, and if he hadn't shoved just keep making pot sized raises untill you're all in on that flop

Landlord79 06-18-2007 05:11 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
Fold preflop, as played, AAAAAAARRRGGGHHH IIIIINNNNN!!!!!

KurtSF 06-18-2007 07:27 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
NH. Gold star.

HAL PHIPA 06-18-2007 07:55 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
lol This thread just leveled the [censored] out of me.

oakrdrzfan 06-19-2007 04:41 AM

Re: NL25 - OESFD on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
The villain did exactly what you wanted. Hope you won!

QTip 06-19-2007 02:28 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD gets c/r\'d on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
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uh, you can't ask for anything better! nh! you should get this in with 200 bb stacks as well. you are only down to a larger FD, and you have huge outs against sets/2p

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Man, I'm just not in agreement with this at all. Perhaps I need help here, but we're not in that great of shape here.

Against a set, our equity is in the low 40s.

Against 2 pair, our equity is in the low 50s. If his 2 pair includes the Jd, we're actually a slight dog.

Against something like AJ, we're in teh mid 50s again; however, I think it's less likely that someone gets all in with a tp hand, then a bigger hand. If his hand is a tp hand with a larger diamond, like AdJ, we're actually just a hair of a favorite as well.

It's always hard to do these, but even with a range like this (I'm sure adjustments could be made, but my point remains), I think this could be razor thin and just lend itself to more variance.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

72,270 games 0.015 secs 4,818,000 games/sec

Board: 5d 6d Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.239% 50.24% 00.00% 36308 0.00 { 8d7d }
Hand 1: 49.761% 49.76% 00.00% 35962 0.00 { JJ, 66-55, AJs, KJs, QJs, J6s-J5s, 65s, AdJs, KJo, QJo, JTo, J6o-J5o, 65o }

If we could get all in first and get some FE, perhaps this makes more sense to me...idk.

Thoughts?

MarcusT 06-19-2007 02:43 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD gets c/r\'d on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
He has to put $8.05 on a $13.30 pot and get 2 cards. How can this be wrong?

QTip 06-19-2007 02:51 PM

Re: NL25 - OESFD gets c/r\'d on flop, just get the money in ASAP?
 
I'm not sure if you can treat NL this way or not; however, the way I'm used to looking at it is this way. The way this hand went down against anyone with half a brain, I'm saying we probably half about 45% equity in a $13.30 pot, which is about $6 worth...we're putting in over $8 for this.

Help me if I'm misapplying limit concepts to this game please.


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