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pokerscaresme 11-14-2007 12:05 PM

$1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
Poker Stars, $1 + $0.10 NL Hold'em Tournament, 1,500/3,000 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: 155,792
CO: 23,823
BTN: 18,424
Hero (SB): 27,187
BB: 54,438
UTG: 47,643
UTG+1: 64,423

Pre-Flop: (6,600) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls 3,000, 4 folds, Hero calls 1,500, BB checks

Flop: (11,100) Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

Turn: (11,100) 9http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero Shoves?</font>

My gut said squeeze a bit..
but I called expecting to see a flop.
BB is eager to see any flop, so I could fold to a BB shove.
No reads on UTG.
How would you play this one?

halpgr 11-14-2007 12:35 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
You're too short to be limping in the SB with JTs. Shove or fold preflop. Shove is not bad as your stack is big enough to have FE against BB and the weak limper. If one folds to the shove and one calls then you have pretty good equity going in with the dead money.

4ObliVioN4 11-14-2007 01:07 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
I don't mind completing pf since it only costs you half. That might be wrong though.

No reason to shove the turn here. Flop checked around, board is rainbow, nothing to be afraid of or any big draws to push out. Plus your shove is more than twice the pot, looks very odd. I would bet around 7k here and then have a very natural push on the river for like 19k that would be 2/3 pot or so.

EroTheMad 11-14-2007 01:20 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
You have M=4. and still calling here? Playing draw hand OOP with 4 M stack sucks as hell. Shoot or fold pre-flop depending on your read on UTG.

Sykes 11-14-2007 01:45 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
check/call turn
check/call river (bet if turn is checked through)

levAA 11-14-2007 01:49 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
push preflop

as played follow sykes advice

pokerscaresme 11-14-2007 01:53 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
Thank you, I'll just shove it next time.

henne822 11-14-2007 01:56 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
check pm poker

MJBuddy 11-14-2007 02:04 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
Pushing Pre 100% of the time.

sapsuckah 11-14-2007 02:09 PM

Re: $1 stars MTT - SB w/ JTs - 21 left
 
[ QUOTE ]
You're too short to be limping in the SB with JTs. Shove or fold preflop. Shove is not bad as your stack is big enough to have FE against BB and the weak limper. If one folds to the shove and one calls then you have pretty good equity going in with the dead money.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is spot-on.

The turn is the really interesting spot though. I think Sykes' line (check-call) is good but I'm worried about not getting paid off enough now that I made my hand and everyone checked the flop. I'd bet 1/2 pot here, maybe even a bit less to induce a raise. If nobody calls, you likely weren't gonna make any more on this hand anyway.


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