Weak TP?
 

I'm new at the table and have no reads. So assume normal 1/2 level play.

1/2 Limit Holdem
7 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Pre-flop: Hero dealt 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in BB

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP calls

A loose call from the BB, but I'm expecting it to be at least an 8 SB pot.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (10.5 SB, 5 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP calls

I've got top pair so lead off. CO raise is a problem. Don't like the reraise in this spot so call.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10.2 BB, 5 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP calls, CO calls, Hero ?

Hmmmm. CO flop raise says move to c/c unimproved, but why has UTG come alive?

So, what's the right Turn play?

Re: Weak TP?
 

CO probably has overcards, his flop raise may even suggest an overpair. The turn card completes a few draws.
UTG waking up may suggest he has A3s and completed his wheel (perhaps even with the nut flush draw).

Even if the wheel is not out there, you have 3 outs at the very best (7c, Tc, Td) and you're getting 14:1.
I don't like it. Even if we hit, we could still be far behind.

Fold the turn...

Re: Weak TP?
 

Brit,

Check/raise the flop. As played I fold the turn. If I was closing the action it would be close.

Re: Weak TP?
 

I strongly prefer check/raising this flop instead of leading off.

Re: Weak TP?
 

check raise the flop.

Re: Weak TP?
 

I join the chorus for flop c/r because the most likely flop bettor i.e. CO is to your immediate right

-&gt; if he bets you face the rest of the cast with calling two bets. They may still call but as the board isn't overly drawy you gain value here. Main reason to c/r is to protect your vulnerable hand that looks like the best hand right now. C/r protects you hand best here.

-&gt; if he does not bet you get a free look at the turn if it is a "safe card" or not and can then donk giving the field ~6:1 odds which might be enough for OCs to fold. Not the best result but ok anyway.

Re: Weak TP?
 

You are in the perfect position to check/raise this flop with the preflop aggressor in late position.

I think you can fold the turn because UTGs range is heavily weighted toward straights and sets which both have you drawing dead. He may have two pair but if one of those is a seven you have only three outs anyway.

Re: Weak TP?
 

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check raise the flop.

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Re: Weak TP?
 

For the flop C/Rs, don't you think the risk is that I'm giving 4 lots of over O/Cs a free draw?

If I'm c/o on a 5 way pot with AJ or somesuch, I'm going to be strongly tempted to take the free card because the fold equity is so low.

Still, it's definitely something I should consider...

Re: Weak TP?
 

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For the flop C/Rs, don't you think the risk is that I'm giving 4 lots of over O/Cs a free draw?

If I'm c/o on a 5 way pot with AJ or somesuch, I'm going to be strongly tempted to take the free card because the fold equity is so low.

Still, it's definitely something I should consider...

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The problem with btting is that they won't fold OC's n this big pot. So the 'only' chance you have is to get a CR in.