Im so boring. Prs to be line check? NL100
 

No real reads but havent noticed anything either way, early in the session.


Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $119.25
Hero (BTN): $169
SB: $103.65
BB: $56.35
UTG: $21
MP: $99.50

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $12</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $8.50

Flop: ($25.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($25.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12

River: ($49.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $28</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $145 and is All-In</font>

Re: Im so boring. Prs to be line check? NL100
 

Holy jesus raptor christ. What are you doing on the flop and turn?

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Holy jesus raptor christ. What are you doing on the flop and turn?

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Not raising into a better hand?

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andrew: one thing u might wanna consider overall as a gameplan. why would u take a slightly strange line like this with no reads/history?

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I'd bet the flop, but your line is perfect given you checked behind.

I prefer to save the tricky play for drier flops (preferably paired, because then a pair connected to the flop has 2 outs instead of 5).

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yeah flop and turn really suck imo...
bet the flop draw heavy etc...
as played ont the flop raise the turn! You have picked up the nfd.
The only reason I can see why you would flat call the turn is that you are afraid of the flush but that can´t br the case b/c you push the river.
Imo you misplayed this hand pretty badly!

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I think after you flat turn, you gotta flat the river. Do you expect TT to call you when you're repping AsKx or whatever you're trying to rep? I don't understand why we're not betting flop or raising turn.

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Holy jesus raptor christ. What are you doing on the flop and turn?

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I like turn play given flop actually.

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Holy jesus raptor christ. What are you doing on the flop and turn?

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I like turn play given flop actually.

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but surely not if you push the river

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Holy jesus raptor christ. What are you doing on the flop and turn?

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I like turn play given flop actually.

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Yeah, after flop we can't do anything else on the turn, but it sucks to only have 1/4 stack in on the turn in a rr pot.

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold, and I think that very few hands of his just call on this board. I dont want to stack off on the flop because IMO the range of hands which I am ahead of there (which will call 100bb) is thin (basically only overpairs) and everything else either has pretty decent equity or just folds.

I guess the same goes on the turn, but then that makes my river shove really bad =(

On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

Yes? No?

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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?!!!??1!!!111

bet and get ai on the flop very happily.

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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Wait... WHAT?

You were considering a fold? You have AA sir, not JJ!

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On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

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I agree with this part.

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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?!!!??1!!!111

bet and get ai on the flop very happily.

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Yesssssssss

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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?!!!??1!!!111

bet and get ai on the flop very happily.

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OK so I guess this is something I need to work on =(

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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Wait... WHAT?

You were considering a fold? You have AA sir, not JJ!

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On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

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I agree with this part.

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Is there a flop that you wont stack off on in a rr pot with an overpair? I guess the fact that the pot is rr is what I think Im missing here - I think I am treating this more as a raised pot than a 3bet pot. Dohh

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KQJ against a nit

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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Wait... WHAT?

You were considering a fold? You have AA sir, not JJ!

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On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

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I agree with this part.

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Is there a flop that you wont stack off on in a rr pot with an overpair? I guess the fact that the pot is rr is what I think Im missing here - I think I am treating this more as a raised pot than a 3bet pot. Dohh

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I'm not stacking off on like QJT flops. That's uh...about it. Is his range really that rich in small pairs where you feel like getting it in is unprofitable?

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold

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Wait... WHAT?

You were considering a fold? You have AA sir, not JJ!

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On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

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I agree with this part.

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Is there a flop that you wont stack off on in a rr pot with an overpair? I guess the fact that the pot is rr is what I think Im missing here - I think I am treating this more as a raised pot than a 3bet pot. Dohh

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I'm not stacking off on like QJT flops. That's uh...about it. Is his range really that rich in small pairs where you feel like getting it in is unprofitable?

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As a general rule, in raised pots I would check a straight and FD flop behind because I think that stacking off there is relatively unprofitable given that the type of hand that villain will stack off with is either ahead or has excellent equity. Given that I am a fish I applied this situation to this hand but neglected to realise that this is a 3bet pot and therefore that stacking off on this flop in this hand is totally different to the situation I just described.

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As a general rule, in raised pots I would check a straight and FD flop behind because I think that stacking off there is relatively unprofitable given that the type of hand that villain will stack off with is either ahead or has excellent equity.

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Yeah don't do this either. bet-bet-bet

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As a general rule, in raised pots I would check a straight and FD flop behind because I think that stacking off there is relatively unprofitable given that the type of hand that villain will stack off with is either ahead or has excellent equity.

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Yeah don't do this either. bet-bet-bet

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Ok, so your line in a situation where you raise pre with AA, villain flats IP, flop 987 two tone, you lead and he raises? Flat call or b3b?

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As a general rule, in raised pots I would check a straight and FD flop behind because I think that stacking off there is relatively unprofitable given that the type of hand that villain will stack off with is either ahead or has excellent equity.

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Yeah don't do this either. bet-bet-bet

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Ok, so your line in a situation where you raise pre with AA, villain flats IP, flop 987 two tone, you lead and he raises? Flat call or b3b?

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This is a fold, there is a world of diff between 987 and 954 though.

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With 100BB it's not terrible to slowplay a bit on the flop vs. a guy who's passive (if he's aggro bet so he can bluff you). Stacks like this though I almost never slowplay. Turn is standard imo, river I'd prefer like a raise to 65 or something dumb/fold to rr.

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I bet flop
Raise turn
as played river shove seems cool

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In the end he had KQss so I was getting stacked pretty much whatever happened, but this thread has taught me a lot so ty all for responses [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold, and I think that very few hands of his just call on this board. I dont want to stack off on the flop because IMO the range of hands which I am ahead of there (which will call 100bb) is thin (basically only overpairs) and everything else either has pretty decent equity or just folds.

I guess the same goes on the turn, but then that makes my river shove really bad =(

On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

Yes? No?

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Ur flop logic is poor, there r a lot of overpairs in villains range that will shove and u have very good equity against flush draws. Ur river shove is marginal IMO, CO sometimes plays a scared set this way and I dont think kq or sometimes ak pay off that river too often.

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I dont bet the flop because I dont want to bet/fold, and I think that very few hands of his just call on this board. I dont want to stack off on the flop because IMO the range of hands which I am ahead of there (which will call 100bb) is thin (basically only overpairs) and everything else either has pretty decent equity or just folds.

I guess the same goes on the turn, but then that makes my river shove really bad =(

On the river, his line fits a hand like KQ/AK with one spade so well that I figure I can shove for value.

Yes? No?

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::pukes a little::


you are very much ahead of the range you described