10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $20.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($317.00)
MP ($1855.00)
CO ($1291.26)
Button ($741.00)
SB ($1754.85)
Hero ($2014.00)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $20, MP calls $20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $65</font>, Hero calls $65, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $240</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2014 (All-In) </font>


Standard? villain is 26/11/with postflop agg of 2. leader on flop is 18/9 and is why i didnt raise flop first time

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

i like a raise smaller than shoving because it allows him to then shove his draws. i agree that you are nearly always ahead here (unless he has AJ maybe?), but allowing him to put in the last bet should be your main goal. the way you played it, you only really get it in vs J8 and maybe oesfds.

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

the only thing i like about your line is it allows villain to make a hero call with an ace if he thinks you're doing it on a draw. you should want villain to put in the last raise thouhg like jfish said.

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

I dont understand this "leader on flop is 18/9 and is why i didnt raise flop first time " and then your shove. This looks a lot like AJ but I'd raise first time, see how MP and SB react and take it from there.

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

if sb opens, we raise, mp cold 3bets and sb folds, do we get it in?

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

i think sb could have AJ, mp almost 100% has a draw, maybe A8s maybe AA but unlikely, 9Td x-xd etc

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

jfish,

flip a coin without specific reads/history, shove if he's playing most of his draws that fast.

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

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i think sb could have AJ, mp almost 100% has a draw, maybe A8s maybe AA but unlikely, 9Td x-xd etc

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Of course SB doesnt have AJ when he folded.

I make it 650 here.

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

650 is def better. HE had 10Jd

Re: 10/20 2 pair in unraised pot on drawy board
 

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i think sb could have AJ, mp almost 100% has a draw, maybe A8s maybe AA but unlikely, 9Td x-xd etc

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Of course SB doesnt have AJ when he folded.

I make it 650 here.

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his range to bet the flop includes AJ. Obviously once he folds he doesn't have it.