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ProfessorBen 09-11-2007 05:04 PM

Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
Borgata 20/40 8-handed

BTN is an aggro monkey I played with at Foxwoods before who thinks he can out play people so he often goes over the edge and makes plays which are spewish. It also means that he usually has loose opening/3-betting ranges and is likely opening light in this spot. One hand that I recall playing against him at FW is a hand where I defended my BB, c/r a flopped set, and was able to b/3b the turn and he couldn't get away from his overpair.

SB is loose-passive and bad, a terrible hand reader, and reminds you of someone you see in Smaller Stakes.

Preflop:
BTN opens, SB calls, Hero calls in BB with A9o.

Flop: 842r
BTN bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 2
BTN bets, SB calls, Hero calls...
intending to call most rivers without having to over call.

cgrohman 09-11-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
Hmmm, I generally take a more agressive approach. I will 3 barrel this hand pre-flop and then lead.

jba 09-11-2007 05:29 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
pf: 3bet >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fold

jkamowitz 09-11-2007 05:34 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
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pf: 3bet >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> fold

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3-bets for sure.

n.s. 09-11-2007 05:48 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
One more vote for a 3-bet PF - when I first read the hand, I was thinking that I liked the call, but given how loose SB is (sounds like he could have ATC here), I think a 3-bet is mandatory. Getting it heads-up in position with SB would be really sweet, and 3-betting PF is the most likely way to make that happen (on the flop or turn, of course).

As played, I'd fold the turn. Unless btn is a total maniac, has to be worried when his flop bet is called and overcalled. I doubt he's going to fire the turn again with less than a decent A high.

Jeffage 09-11-2007 06:31 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
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and was able to b/3b the turn and he couldn't get away from his overpair

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This pretty much describes nearly 100 percent of hold em players at all limits.

As for this hand, I'm 3-betting preflop in the situation described. You can easily have the best hand and the betting initiative could prove quite useful since you are in the middle on this hand.

As you played it, I may donk the flop to see what happens. I'm certainly not going to be check-calling the flop and then the turn after SB calls. Either make a play at the pot if you think it will work or get out after you miss your six outer and are no longer offered profitable odds (since you could also easily hit and lose).

Jeff

threeonefour 09-11-2007 06:55 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
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and was able to b/3b the turn and he couldn't get away from his overpair

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This pretty much describes nearly 100 percent of hold em players at all limits.


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just because this hasn't been said explicitly yet... taking that line and folding to a three bet as a default, is god awful, money-hating poker. telling that story leads me to believe the villian might just be a good TAG and you may or may not be a nit/rock/TAP/old white person.

as for the hand, 3bet preflop. as played, calling down is bad due to it being 3way. that being said, i could definitely see myself doing it a fair amount (though objectively it is not MAXev).

goofball 09-11-2007 07:03 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
As everyone has said, not 3betting preflop has turned this hand into a disaster.

bugstud 09-11-2007 07:18 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
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One hand that I recall playing against him at FW is a hand where I defended my BB, c/r a flopped set, and was able to b/3b the turn and he couldn't get away from his overpair.

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wtf?

tessarji 09-11-2007 08:08 PM

Re: Borg 20 Yell At Me More For Defending Axo Multiway
 
Because this hand is 3-way, I think you should bet any paint card on river. This is a value bluff.


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