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chio 08-30-2007 03:19 PM

common AA hand
 
live 9-handed 2-5 NL
stack 450, villian covers

i raise AA UTG to 40, 2 MP callers, BB calls

flop KT5 rainbow

BB checks, i bet 125, next guy raises to 350, everyone folds...

DrewTheHead 08-30-2007 03:44 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
reads?? what r u thinking TT or 55?? i say KQ AK live mostly at these stakes and he thinks hes good....again though read depended....this is a good flop for you

danjohncochane 08-30-2007 03:48 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
Shove you are ahead almost always here in live games obviously depending on reads.

jfish 08-30-2007 03:54 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
omg shove.

Hattifnatt 08-30-2007 03:54 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
lol shove

FireStorm 08-30-2007 04:16 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
While I don't disagree that live players are loose as sin and would overplay Kx in spots like this, it's silly to say that "it's live, so obv shove hahaha". I could post a multitude of hands that make it clear there are plenty of internet multitabling button pushes who can't play for sh*t either. Too much hate for live play on this site.

As it is here, I would probably end up shoving but wouldn't like it. Tough to put someone on AK here given the smooth call preflop. KT and sets would worry me.

chio 08-30-2007 04:27 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
i had just sat down a few hands ago, nobody has done anything that stood out yet. this is a good flop for AA, but it's the raise into 3 players on the flop that i'm worried about...

jfish 08-30-2007 04:31 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
live poker, 2/5, 90bb, AA = go ai.

atrainpsu 08-30-2007 08:33 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
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While I don't disagree that live players are loose as sin and would overplay Kx in spots like this, it's silly to say that "it's live, so obv shove hahaha".

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The fact of the matter is since it is live, this is an easy shove against your average live player. Since we have no other reads, we have to go with this.
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As it is here, I would probably end up shoving but wouldn't like it. Tough to put someone on AK here given the smooth call preflop. KT and sets would worry me.

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Most players in MP wouldnt reraise preflop with AK in this spot, so it's definitely in his range. I agree that I wouldn't like pushing here as we may be a dog against his range, but with the pot size it's a no-brainer.

David1234 08-30-2007 08:39 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
you must go all in here because of stack sizes and everything.
Especially pf raising to 40. I mean this pot is huge once you bet this flop you are committed.

terp 08-30-2007 09:00 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
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omg shove.

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blankoblanco 08-30-2007 09:11 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
everyone's citing that it being live is the main reason we shove. what if it's 3/6 online?

hongster 08-30-2007 09:37 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
lolol going into flop there is 120 in pot and 410 ESS, giving a stack-pot ratio of about 3.5. Ezy all in and its not close. Villain can be overplaying KQ/KJ, and its not a bad board. Your AA cuts his outs if he has QJ. If he stacks you with a set, so be it.

edit: reading comprehension sucks - pot = 160, so SPR = 2.5, making this an even easier shove. You've committed yourself preflop, so this postflop decision is easy.

praios 08-30-2007 09:40 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
live game so push

AAismyfriend 08-30-2007 10:15 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
It's a shove, but I'm not thrilled about it. 2/5 live players are def awful compared to online players but more in a passive kinda way. Usually when they make a big raise they tend to show up with a strong hand. That being said, there's no way I'd ever let this go since AK is a pretty likely holding for villain here IMO.

DaCooler 08-30-2007 10:40 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
I dont really care if this was online either, im still shoving, if he flopped a set do you think hed really raise that hard on a rainbow flop?

tuckercat 08-30-2007 10:43 PM

Re: common AA hand
 
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omg shove.

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chio 08-31-2007 10:00 AM

Results
 
Consensus seems to be easy call/shove. I thought it was pretty close, but the small stacks/pot odds dictated getting my chips in. Yes I agree, live 2/5 players could raise with a wide range here, but even idiots need a pretty strong hand to raise into 3 players.

I shoved, he called and flipped over a set of 5's. turn K, river K, can I get a whooooa donkey?!

Choparno 08-31-2007 11:22 AM

Re: Results
 
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can I get a whooooa donkey?!

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No. Good push though.


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