call re-raise?
 

Live 20/40 LHE. Never seen this situation before, what's the correct ruling?

River:
Player A bets $30 and is all-in.
Player B calls the $30.
Player C completes to $40.

B & C still have money behind.

Can Player B re-raise to $60 or must he only call/fold? I think he can raise, because he is call-re-raising C and not A.

Re: call re-raise?
 

He can't raise. He had the option to complete to $40 on his turn, but he elected not to.

Re: call re-raise?
 

You cant complete a bet that is more than half of a bet. Proper action would be:
A: all-in 30
B: call 30
C: raise to 70

now B can raise, call or fold

Re: call re-raise?
 

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You cant complete a bet that is more than half of a bet. Proper action would be:
A: all-in 30
B: call 30
C: raise to 70

now B can raise, call or fold

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I believe this is right. C can make it 70. Calling the 30 and raising 40 more. If the bet is half or more of a full bet it can be called and raised a full bet. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: call re-raise?
 

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You cant complete a bet that is more than half of a bet. Proper action would be:
A: all-in 30
B: call 30
C: raise to 70

now B can raise, call or fold

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Above is true in most places but some clubs/casinos (San Manuel Casino near San Bernadino California comes to mind) use the inferior rule where any bet less than a full bet is "action only". This was also the way it was at places like the Commerce until 1997.

~ Rick

Re: call re-raise?
 

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You cant complete a bet that is more than half of a bet. Proper action would be:
A: all-in 30
B: call 30
C: raise to 70

now B can raise, call or fold

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Above is true in most places but some clubs/casinos (San Manuel Casino near San Bernadino California comes to mind) use the inferior rule where any bet less than a full bet is "action only". This was also the way it was at places like the Commerce until 1997.

~ Rick

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This is something I see a lot; an out of the way poker room opens and then becomes the room that time forgot. A good example would be the Tunica rooms and their definition of what constitutes heads up.

Re: call re-raise?
 

What do the Tunica rooms consider heads-up? I played there last year and was involved in the following:

I'm OTB; SB and UTG are in after the turn. SB bets river, UTG raises, I re-raise. SB then folds, UTG pops it again and I five bet. UTG then asks dealer if there's any limit since the pot's now HU. Dealer says "I don't think so, but I need to ask the floor a question." Calls floor who rules that since SB was in the hand at the river- even tho he's now folded- that betting is now capped. UTG and I had to be HU alone at the river for the unlimited rule to be in effect.

Re: call re-raise?
 

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Live 20/40 LHE. Never seen this situation before, what's the correct ruling?

River:
Player A bets $30 and is all-in.
Player B calls the $30.
Player C completes to $40.

B & C still have money behind.

Can Player B re-raise to $60 or must he only call/fold? I think he can raise, because he is call-re-raising C and not A.

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In San Jose, he should be able to raise to $80.
In San Jose, wagers less than a full bet do not change your options. Player C made the first complete bet. Player B can, in effect, check-raise him.

Guess San Jose is a backwater that doesn't understand poker.

Re: call re-raise?
 

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Live 20/40 LHE. Never seen this situation before, what's the correct ruling?

River:
Player A bets $30 and is all-in.
Player B calls the $30.
Player C completes to $40.

B & C still have money behind.

Can Player B re-raise to $60 or must he only call/fold? I think he can raise, because he is call-re-raising C and not A.

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In San Jose, he should be able to raise to $80.
In San Jose, wagers less than a full bet do not change your options. Player C made the first complete bet. Player B can, in effect, check-raise him.

Guess San Jose is a backwater that doesn't understand poker.

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If they aren't using the "half-bet or more is a complete bet" rule (in limit of course) then you are right. But why would a major poker venue such as San Jose do it in such a way?

~ Rick

Re: call re-raise?
 

OK, to clarify, this is Bay101. Not really a backwater casino.

But it sounds like the "completion" rule is different in various casinos. At Bay101, if someone makes a partial bet and is all-in, a player not yet to act can complete it to a full bet, which in this case was completing the bet to $40.

It doesn't matter how large the incomplete bet was.

In any case, I don't think this is the crux of the issue, I'm trying to figure out if Player B can basically re-raise Player C. Whether it was a completion raise or a full raise as in another casino, is probably not important. But correct me if I'm wrong.