200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

200/400 oe game. 50 ante 75 bringin. villain is bill gazes. hes had alot of tournament success but also seems like a fairly good cash game player.

not one of my hearts were dead throughout the whole hand.

3rd:

2-BRINGIN-fold
Q-fold
J-fold
3-call-call
T-fold
KsKh-3h-Raise

4th:

KsKh-3h4h-BET
32-call

5th:

KsKh-3h4h8h-CHECK-call
325-bet

6th:

KsKh-3h4h8hJc-CHECK-call
3256-bet

if i brick 7th do i still checkcall?


how did i play the hand? btw, bill's board was pretty rainbow.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

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200/400 oe game. 50 ante 75 bringin. villain is bill gazes. hes had alot of tournament success but also seems like a fairly good cash game player.

not one of my hearts were dead throughout the whole hand.

3rd:

2-BRINGIN-fold
Q-fold
J-fold
3-call-call
T-fold
KsKh-3h-Raise

4th:

KsKh-3h4h-BET
32-call

5th:

KsKh-3h4h8h-CHECK-call
325-bet

6th:

KsKh-3h4h8hJc-CHECK-call
3256-bet

if i brick 7th do i still checkcall?


how did i play the hand? btw, bill's board was pretty rainbow.

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I kinda like leading 5th given how strong you are versus a hand that has paired. I would also be very surprised if he limps A4 and fairly surprised if he limps 643.

On 6th the pot is too small to peel, even with your flush draw. Pretty much your best hope is that your opponent has 2 pair, which says a lot about how bad the situation is.

If you do peel my first thought was that you definitely have to make a crying call with one pair.

Actually I'm not so sure about that though.

If you make some reasonable assumptions about his 3rd street distribution (for example he would not limp a low hand with an A or play a razz hand with an 8), he is probably too likely to have a straight or 2 pair to make calling the river profitable.

I think the fact that you may not be able to make a crying call on the river with KK supports the idea that you can't call 6th.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

$300 antes + 75 BI + 6SBs + 4 BBs = 3175 + river BB equals 3575/2 = you being laid the price of 1787.5 to 400 on the rivhar

I would probably fold UI on the end

I thought you played the hand pretty well. 5th is definitly a check-call IMO. It sucks that the cards fell that way they did on 6th because you have to call...I think.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

I don't see how you can fold 7th when villain could easily have just a low hand. The pot is way to big to fold for one bet. If you are going to fold, fold 6th.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

Bills bet on 5th seems to indicate a lot of strength - does anyone consider bailing at that point? There is 1175 out there and youre often going to be putting in a further 1200 trying to get half of that back. How did you interpret his 5th street bet TS? That is key here...

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

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Bills bet on 5th seems to indicate a lot of strength - does anyone consider bailing at that point? There is 1175 out there and youre often going to be putting in a further 1200 trying to get half of that back. How did you interpret his 5th street bet TS? That is key here...

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You certainly could fold 5th, but I don't think the 5th street bet means anything nut that he has the better razz hand showing.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

If villian were solid, I think I'd actually prefer to see you bet 5th - and consider folding to a raise. Not saying I'd fold to the raise, but once you check 5th he's betting any pair w/ 4 low, any small 2 pr, or anything better. Aside from the info that you gain from his reaction to you betting 5th, you set it up to where he'd possibly fold 2 small pair on the river.

That's a tough spot. You really don't have much choice with your big draw, and can't really be faulted for acting any number of ways from 5th on.

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

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200/400 oe game. 50 ante 75 bringin. villain is bill gazes. hes had alot of tournament success but also seems like a fairly good cash game player.

not one of my hearts were dead throughout the whole hand.

3rd:

2-BRINGIN-fold
Q-fold
J-fold
3-call-call
T-fold
KsKh-3h-Raise

4th:

KsKh-3h4h-BET
32-call

5th:

KsKh-3h4h8h- CHECK -call
325-bet

bill's board was pretty rainbow.

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W/o reading any replies, I don't understand this at all. Wouldn't Bill have raised 3rd w/A4 or 64 in the hole?

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

As a decent balance I think you should call on the end if you make kings up (or a flush obv) and fold if you completely brick. He can easily have two pair + low by 7th if not a straight so it protects you somewhat. I play the rest the same.

-DeathDonkey

Re: 200/400 stud8 tough spot vs bill gazes
 

Well, if Bill doesn't have a straight on 6th, he has to have either A7 or 65 in the hole, IMO. I don't think he calls on 4th with 62/32 against xx/3h4h that raised on 3rd.

I think you defo have to call 7th w/K's up, and prolly even w/just the K's.

But I would've folded 6th, esp. after nothing extra went in on 5th, and a call practically commits you to another check-call. If it's wrong at all, it can't be by much against the limited range of hands he could have here.

Billy's not an idiot, the pot's small, and 6th was just an ugly, ugly affair.

I agree that the most interesting question is what do you do if you bet out on 6th and Billy raises. Is it ever a good play to wait to raise w/a wheel or strt 6, at least some of the time, against a board like 3h4h8h?

Can you fold KKh/3h4h8h after xx/325r raises you on 5th after limping on 3rd against non-scary upcards?