3/6: river c/r bluff
 

Villian is 17/8, with a slightly above average cold call preflop percentage. He seems to float me a bit more than he should, but I really haven't played anything big against him.

I've been playing aggro preflop at this table, something like 20/16 or so.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($591)
Button ($868.50)
SB ($596.40)
BB ($735)
Hero ($663)
UTG+1 ($622.35)
MP1 ($294)
MP2 ($207.05)
MP3 ($636)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $24</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $24, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($57) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $39</font>, MP3 calls $39.

Turn: ($135) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $93</font>, MP3 calls $93.

River: ($321) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $162</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $507</font>

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

this move is above me i think. like i usually just c/f this turn, sometimes i throw in a 2nd barrel, and i never make this c/r move cause imo it doesnt look like a king (i think i just value bet here almost always). but im interested in hearing the results of this hand

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

Your river play looks like a bluff.

You might get him to fold ace high, but nothing else.

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I don't get it. Isn't K-x a huge part of his range?

This seems like suicide to me.

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bad imo

I cant see what flats two streets and bets the river besides Kx, 6x and 45 (which is a really small part of his range imo). Pretty sure he has like Kx like always here

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bad, he is not value beting with 99s on river

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a bit surprised at the comments, and fwiw i do sometimes play the boat just like this because it looks very "bluffy"

to me, his two calls look like 99-QQ. these are hands that i feel he will value bet the river against me because i'm often so aggro (i.e. double barreling, etc...) and as such I have to make some light river calls.

additionally, i feel like Kx is a small part of his range. AK/KQ he probably reraises pf or flop or turn. I'd assume he's not cold calling KJ preflop too often.

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

It's close but I usually just give it up. On a good day I can do this at the right time.

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This is absolutely TERRIBLE.

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to me, his two calls look like 99-QQ. these are hands that i feel he will value bet the river

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uhhhhh what?

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

I actually like this, and villain fold enough to make this profitable.

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to me, his two calls look like 99-QQ. these are hands that i feel he will value bet the river against me

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He's really going to bet a mid-pair hoping you call him with ace-high?

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additionally, i feel like Kx is a small part of his range. AK/KQ he probably reraises pf or flop or turn.

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Why would he raise them on the flop/turn? He's way ahead/way behind, and since you're so aggressive in firing multiple barrels, why WOULDN'T he just call down?

Your thinking is way off IMO.

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Level?

This is absolutely heinous. Work on your hand reading skills. His range is pretty purely Kings full. I really can't think of much else that reasonably takes this line.

If he has QQ-99, he should be content to check it down unless you're known to be a clueless station at your table.

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

OP pls post results

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

The results in this hand are moot.

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How is this not a spew?

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

which real hand would you bet twice and c/r on this board? i can't think of one.

just read that you'd play a fh like this, which might be ok cause i can't see anyone folding on the river. using this line as a bluff looks atrocious to me.

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

ok. i stand corrected, bad play by me.

i guess he was just calling quickly on flop and turn and it really felt like he didn't have a King.

results: he folded. yes, i know that these results don't matter.

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

Yeah, pretty sure you had the best hand. If you think he's floating, why are you shoving? He's never getting to the river and VBing with a worse hand here.

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Yeah, pretty sure you had the best hand. If you think he's floating, why are you shoving? He's never getting to the river and VBing with a worse hand here.

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pretty sure 5 high wasn't the best hand

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

Oh it was, brah, it was.

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Calling the river would have been so sexy. Phresh is right, your hand was probably good. He probably called off 2 streets thinking his deuces were good, then was like, crap, now I have the nut low, I better bet.

1010 or something probably checks behind the river.

Note, calling river, like checkraising is retarded, but if you called and won w/ 5 high, that would have been awesome.

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Your river play looks like a bluff.

You might get him to fold ace high, but nothing else.

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I think it looks enough like a king that he folds everything else, but I think he checks the river with most non-king hands. Anything like a mid pocket pair he checks behind. Maybe he bets a 6 but I don't expect him to show up with one very often and then there is a chance he calls with it.

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also 3 barreling&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;& gt;&gt;c/r

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also 3 barreling&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;& gt;&gt;c/r

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not sure about that here. i think he folds 6x, tt-QQ to a c/r, but not to a 3/4 pot bet on river

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also 3 barreling&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;& gt;&gt;c/r

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not sure about that here. i think he folds 6x, tt-QQ to a c/r, but not to a 3/4 pot bet on river

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90% of FR players don't bet those hands on the river. Generally, you'll have no bet to check/raise and your 5 high will lose at showdown.

Re: 3/6: river c/r bluff
 

Just firing again on the river more accuratly reps a K, then a river c/r here.


You said it yourself you expect him to call w/ 6x and higher pairs to a 3/4pot bet. SO why if you had a K, would you be c/r'ing here?