25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

Villain plays 25/15/1.6/1400 and tries to steal 25%.
These are hand 9,13 and 14 of the session, i just sat down at the table.

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HAND #1
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Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $29.45
Hero (BTN): $25
SB: $30.03
BB: $25.55
UTG: $25.73
MP: $53.84

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3</font>, 3 folds

Results: $2.35 Pot




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HAND #2
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Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $28.80
Hero (BB): $26.35
UTG: $30.25
MP: $25.20
CO: $23.13
BTN: $55.61

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
3 folds, BTN calls $0.25, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.25</font>, Hero calls $1, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($3.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10</font>, 2 folds

Results: $8.25 Pot

Next hand i was dealt AK:

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HAND #3
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Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $25.30
Hero (SB): $30.69
BB: $30.25
UTG: $25.20
MP: $23.13
CO: $54.36

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">BTN insta-raises to $25.30 and is All-In, Hero?</font>

I guess he is mad at me b/c i just sat down and started to 3bet him right away. He likely perceives me as a maniac and lowers his pushing range to 99+ or just plays back at me with AQ or stuff.

Is this *small* 3betting history enough to justify a call?

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

If his range is 99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs you are about a 7% dog so I can't really see calling here. He might have something that isn't that great but if he has any pocket pair 99+ you are a 12% dog. I just don't see him making this move with nothing.

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

Oops I almost replied to the other hands. 3bet JJ pf though.

I call this hand, good chance he's on tilt and 4betting semi-light. Certainly not a tight range. Wouldn't be surprised to see Aces as low as ATs, or even a good drawing hand like JTs at this point. That and on up. Without this history I fold but pretty easy call given the situation IMO.

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

Yes, 3betting JJ is mandatory. I should have mentioned it: i hate it when i start a session and need to do multiple tasks at the same time, get a great run of cards and have no time to act accordingly... But better then minraising by quickly hitting the raise button, anyway:)

I wonder if it is so easy to put someone with quite TAG like stats on tilt. Your experience is, that this happens quite often? I must admit that i usually play very tight when i am new at a table, so this is a uncommon spot for me.

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

mb too weak, but I find a fold here.

If villain tilts so easily, I find better spots than gambling my stack prf w/ AK.

rgz,
Mris

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

I'm sorry, don't understand what you mean.

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If i knew that villain tilts so easily, I am happy to call w/ AK


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Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

easy call for me in hand 2

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

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If his range is 99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs you are about a 7% dog so I can't really see calling here. He might have something that isn't that great but if he has any pocket pair 99+ you are a 12% dog. I just don't see him making this move with nothing.

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If his range is {99+, AKs, AKo, and AQs} you have 43.8% equity but only need 43.1% calling 21.8/28.8 -&gt; 1.32:1 -&gt; 1/(1+1.32) -&gt; .431 so calling or folding is more or less neutral EV. I call in these spots because it is pretty unexploitable.

If he really has only 99+ you only have 40% equity so you fold, but that range is BS.

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

Antinome, thanks for the computation.
I thought intuitively that i am flipping against this particular range. Throw in 88 and AQo (if not even one or two weird hands more, given the situation) and it's +EV.

However, i called and he showed 44. I didn't expect him to 4bet so light.

edit: spiked an ace [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

Re: 25NL: call a 4bet w/AKo, small 3betting history?
 

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I'm sorry, don't understand what you mean.

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If i knew that villain tilts so easily, I am happy to call w/ AK


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well, that's where we differ obviously :

If I knew villain tilts so easily, I am happy to push AK.

If you like flipping for stacks, call obv hoping to dominate AQ / AJ - I don't, but I trust better spots will come to stack villain.

nice catch though...

rgz,
Mris