Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shaniac)
 

Hero is cdbr3799, talented mtt player and pocketfives allstar.

Use your own reads for the two main villains in the hand, Shaniac and Vanessa Rousso.

I am reposting this from the p5's thread that SCTrojans made.

25-50 blinds
effective stacks all 20k

cdbr3799 raises UTG+1 with 4h7h to 150
UTG+2 calls
UTG+3 calls
Cutoff calls (shaniac)
SB calls (vanessa rousso)

flop 8s 6s 5d

SB checks
CDBR3799 bets 400
UTG+2 folds
UTG+3 calls 400
Cutoff (shaniac) raises to 1800
SB (vanessa) raises to 4200

WTF do you do if you are CDBR3799?

There are no real reads on players other than what you already know about Shaniac/Vanessa - this hand is about 7 minutes into the tournament.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

I'm not folding against these villians. (yes I know we are 400bb deep)

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flop bet is horribly small

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

meehhh. [censored] spot. you can't flat here and allow a spade to peel off, or board pair, can you? idk if i would...

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

r/r to 12k or maybe even shove since it looks like you have overpair and cant get away from it. With shaniac behind and obviously calling the r/r with any draw if you call, I think you have to raise this and try to get it ai on either flop or turn. I'm only folding this hand if one of them are nut peddlers.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

hard to imagine folding over a forum post, but i can see it irl.

Also, I'd shove if i wasnt folding.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shaniac)
 

I haven't played with Vanessa in a long time, but back when I last did (Feb '06), she was a rock. What a sick spot, raise with a crap hand, flop the virtual nuts, and have to face this. I think this is a fold, since there's a good chance you're drawing to one of 3 9's to split the pot. Either one of these players could have the nuts, I would say Vanessa's range is heavily weighted toward it.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

btw preflop is really bad, and i love how ppl use "its deepstacked" as an excuse to play horribly bad preflop poker.

Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shani
 

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btw preflop is really bad, and i love how ppl use "its deepstacked" as an excuse to play horribly bad preflop poker.

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agree, and think he should push and live with the result as played.

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btw preflop is really bad, and i love how ppl use "its deepstacked" as an excuse to play horribly bad preflop poker.

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Also IIRC Thay3r and Imper1um are at this table. So it's not like you can raise ATC and run everyone over. As played flop bet is way to small. Ugh I have no idea what to do with the raise because I think shoving folds out tons of worse hands, calling leads to tons of crappy turn spots and we have the second nuts so obv don't fold.