50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

I'm expecting the answer to be "yes", but I don't like the fact it's an EP raise, plus the prospect of a re-raise behind. Table stats are <20% VPIP but it's too early to have any info on UTG+1. Are my concerns valid?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $80.70
UTG+1: $40
Hero: $112.05
MP2: $49.15
MP3: $24.35
CO: $28.75
Button: $57.60
SB: $49.50
BB: $48.25

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $1.5</font>, Hero ???

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

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Calling here is fine. I think folding would be especially bad.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

I think reraising is bad. And folding is worse.

So calling for a set seems about right. CO and MP3 have short stacks that might pose a problem if they reraise, but if they are playing pretty tight then you probably don't need to worry too much about them.

Otherwise, effective stacks are about $50ish, so $1.5 is well under 5% of those stacks and calling for set value is good using the rule of 5 and 10 (call if less than 5% of effective stacks, fold if over 10%, and make a judgement call between 5% and 10%).

And even though your position immediately behind the preflop raiser won't be great, you shouldn't have to worry too much about position if you flop a set - just bet out and then do whatever it takes after that to get the money in.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

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Are my concerns valid?

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Call and be happy.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

Standard 3x bb raise, standard set mining call. evaluate on flop. A fold is def the wrong move here. A cold call isn't the best but its not the worst option. A 3bet does get you into trouble if he actually woke up with a hand and decides to rerai. Calling def looks good here.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

Easy call. A reraise would be the play if the initial raise came from a later position. I think a reraise in this spot is wrong for 2 reasons:
1. initial raise comes from EP, and could often be a big enough hand to 4 bet.
2. there are enough players to act behind you that you should be aware of the possibility of a 4 bet from one of them if you 3 bet.

If the initial raise comes from the hijack or CO, the opener's range is wider, and there are fewer players behind you, so a 3 bet becomes correct.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

folding is out. raising is bad with others to act behind you and villain could pop it aain. easy call though.

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Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

Can't fold. Reraising is most likely unwise due to above explanations. Have to call though.

Re: 50NL suitable spot for set-mining?
 

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call if less than 5% of effective stacks, fold if over 10%, and make a judgement call between 5% and 10%)

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that's a very good rule to determine to call or not. But isn't call justified when effective stack is only 8 times bigger cause you flop set in 13% of the time? [maybe my knowing of odds is oldschool or wrong, though, hah].

Sure, in that case we are left with no buffer to further reraises.

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call if less than 5% of effective stacks, fold if over 10%, and make a judgement call between 5% and 10%)

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that's a very good rule to determine to call or not. But isn't call justified when effective stack is only 8 times bigger cause you flop set in 13% of the time? [maybe my knowing of odds is oldschool or wrong, though, hah].

Sure, in that case we are left with no buffer to further reraises.

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This would only be true if we stack him every time we hit our set, which is nowhere close to true.


"I don't like the fact it's an EP raise, plus the prospect of a re-raise behind"
The fact that we could get reraised is the only deterrent to it being an EP raise. Other than that, it is better that it is EP, since his hand is more likely to be strong, ie more likely to give away a lot of chips if we hit our set.

This, of course, is assuming we are just playing for set value, which I think is pretty fair unless he seems really weak post flop.
If it was later I agree with others it would be a 3bet situation, as then we would be ahead instead of behind his range