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ddubois 09-24-2007 07:26 PM

On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
Villain is 24/18, very aggressive stealing and on flop. He has no way of knowing this, but about once per 10k hands, I'll limp RR aces from EP, and that's pretty much the only hand I ever do it with. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I wanted to try it with AK once, like, I dunno, just because.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $3/$6 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

dean06: $149.65
passtheganja: $600.00
Hero: $615.45
fededisc: $1,033.00
d3fault: $600.00
JmasterSolo: $570.15

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
Hero calls $6.00, <font color="red">fededisc raises to $27.00</font>, 4 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $100.00</font>, fededisc calls $73.00

Flop: ($209) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">fededisc bets $120.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $515.45</font>

tozzy 09-24-2007 07:29 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
12. i dont think preflop is especially bad, tho.

mak15 09-24-2007 07:52 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
7.8

i'm having trouble finding a hand he could be bet/folding here.

DJ Sensei 09-24-2007 07:56 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
gotta bet the flop if you want to rep big, but i'd probably just c/f this flop. I think it completely nailed his range, and he's never folding queens or better.

BJJIII 09-24-2007 07:56 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
i hate it all.

u sir get a 10

ddubois 09-24-2007 10:23 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
Yeah, it felt like tilt spew when I did it. So I was dumbfounded:

*** FLOP *** [9h Js Ts]
FristSux checks
fededisc has 15 seconds left to act
fededisc bets $120
FristSux raises to $515.45, and is all in
fededisc has 15 seconds left to act
fededisc: lol...
fededisc: did you limp RR aces?
fededisc is sitting out
fededisc has timed out
fededisc folds

Only thing I can think of is he made an ill-advised bet with AK-AT/underpair. Would this be less gross on a JT3 board? I'm thinking someone might actually fold QQ there (and 88/99).

With regards to leading out, my gut feeling is that it would not have worked. Like you said, this board hits his range in the face, and no one believes a cbet. A CR shove after a limp RR would looks so ridiculous that I thought it might be more believable, which doesn't make a lick of sense when I type it, lol, but that's what occurred to me in the moment. Like, I'd have to be insane not to have AA here.

DJ Sensei 09-24-2007 10:31 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
If I pulled this move pre and got a nicer flop, i'd probably 1/2 pot flop and shove turn to maximize my representation of aces and thus FE.

I think a c/r just looks so goofy that most players will make a curious call (unless of course they have some nonsense hand themself)

ddubois 09-24-2007 10:34 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
When you say nicer flop, do you mean rags, or do you like having two broadway cards to give you the extra gutshot equity?

spino1i 09-24-2007 10:43 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
Pretty stupid. The problem is your folding equity sucks for all the hands he bets here. Most hands he bets here arent going to fold when you push.

DJ Sensei 09-24-2007 10:48 PM

Re: On a scale of 1-10, how stupid is this?
 
[ QUOTE ]
When you say nicer flop, do you mean rags, or do you like having two broadway cards to give you the extra gutshot equity?

[/ QUOTE ]

rags are great, a lone J or T or whatever is cool. But I think the gutter equity of 2 broadways isnt particularly great because of the increased chance of him being way way ahead with a set. I didn't do any math or anything, but that seems about right to me.


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