200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

Need a line on this turn. Villain is 19/12, no real history, and my image should be pretty aggro. Converter wasn't working for some reason...

FullTiltPoker Game #4198106125: Table Stacey (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:23:10 ET - 2007/11/16
Seat 1: mchar ($206.45)
Seat 2: OOOOBlubbOOOO ($0), is sitting out
Seat 3: OhYesTGPFA ($456.45)
Seat 4: Kivik ($185.95)
Seat 5: IDropDeuces ($319.30)
Seat 6: willw9 ($247.15)
willw9 posts the small blind of $1
mchar posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to willw9 [Qs Qc]
OhYesTGPFA raises to $7
Kivik folds
IDropDeuces folds
willw9 has 15 seconds left to act
willw9 raises to $25
mchar folds
OhYesTGPFA calls $18
*** FLOP *** [3c 4d 4c]
willw9 has 15 seconds left to act
willw9 bets $36
OhYesTGPFA calls $36
*** TURN *** [3c 4d 4c] [Ah]
willw9 ...


If you check, are you c/f turn but betting river? C/C? If we bet, how much?

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

b/f Turn

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $206.45
UTG: $456.45
CO: $185.95
BTN: $319.30
Hero (SB): $247.15

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $7</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $25</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $18

Flop: ($52) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $36</font>, UTG calls $36

Turn: ($124) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero....


Bet 41 on the flop. There's a couple of credible hands that A could hit, and stack/pot sizes are weird to the point where bet/folding could seem awkward. If you check here though, can villain really bluff you off your hand though, seen as that has to look like a pretty bad card to him too right?

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

I would rather check vs this dude, and valuebet the river if he checks it back. If we bet, we are putting in well over half our stack, so it sucks to b/f especially when a bet only scares out all worse hands. OTOH, I think he rarely has a hand to raise if you bet the turn. Given that, I also doubt he'll have a hand to bet this turn with if you check.

So it's unlikely that we can get any value out of worse hands with a turn bet, and I don't think there are many drawing hands in his range to protect against. Check, and hope for a blank river card for him to pay off on.

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

Check/call, to induce a bluff. I think you are ahead, don't see him calling 36 on flop with AK. More likely he is 99-JJ

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

fwiw c/c isn't good here either imo because it commits us, and we can't really expect this type of player to be turning marginal hands into a bluff often enough. Most likely, he will gladly check back the worse pairs in his range and play for pot control.

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

c/f, bet river if checked through

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one

Re: 200NL - Bit confused in 3bet pot
 

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i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one

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I don't mind this option, as c/c let's him set the bet size.

How much you bettin on the turn?

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i'd bet again on the turn, it's the cheapest option and quite a scary one

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great reasoning imo.