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Daliman 11-26-2007 04:02 PM

Decision with Doyle
 
Villain is 25/15/1.4, Weak/ABC calling station postflop, but usually seems to have something when decent $$$ is going in postflop. I am playing ~23/16, and have been caught bluffing a few times with missed draws, but my image shouldn't be terrible overall.


Full Tilt Poker, $15/$30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $21,743.50
SB: $19,384
BB: $6,734
Hero (UTG): $7,655.50

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
2 folds, BB calls $15, Hero checks

Flop: ($60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $60</font>, Hero calls $60

Turn: ($180) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $180</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $720</font>, BB calls $540

River: ($1,620) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero???

luegofuego 11-26-2007 04:05 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
$1,200, fold to additional action

what was the question again?

berserk 11-26-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
Very clear bet, as you beat all other 2s, 1200 is good. He can't fold a 2 because your line doesn't look anything like a 9, and you can't expect him to c/r bluff ever because he is passive and stationy.

cts 11-26-2007 04:21 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
i jack it pre, i raise this flop with atc

irockhoess 11-26-2007 04:22 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
when you bet, he can even put you on missed hearts and call very light. a raise would be scary but i think you get raised here almost never. i might bet a little more like 1400 because if hes the type of player you think he is, hes calling.

Ship Ship McGipp 11-26-2007 04:23 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
good thing you raised the turn, you were 0 for 2 before that

Daliman 11-26-2007 04:46 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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good thing you raised the turn, you were 0 for 2 before that

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Fold pre?

Daliman 11-26-2007 04:47 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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i jack it pre, i raise this flop with atc

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It's pretty common knowledge I'm not a sick individual such as yourself, however.

Daliman 11-26-2007 04:48 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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when you bet, he can even put you on missed hearts and call very light. a raise would be scary but i think you get raised here almost never. i might bet a little more like 1400 because if hes the type of player you think he is, hes calling.

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This was pretty much my thinking. I PSB'd, he called pretty quickly with QQ.

Dan Terra 11-26-2007 04:49 PM

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good thing you raised the turn, you were 0 for 2 before that

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Fold pre?

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no hes saying u missed 2 spots to raise

irockhoess 11-26-2007 04:56 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
i dont think its really that out there to inflate a pot with any two with position against a weak postflop player when they have completed the small blind.

fanmail 11-26-2007 04:57 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
thats pretty cool that you got to act last after the bb preflop.

Daliman 11-26-2007 05:00 PM

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good thing you raised the turn, you were 0 for 2 before that

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Fold pre?

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no hes saying u missed 2 spots to raise

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Daliman 11-26-2007 05:01 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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thats pretty cool that you got to act last after the bb preflop.

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Sweet convertor, blame McGipp.

Daliman 11-26-2007 05:02 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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i dont think its really that out there to inflate a pot with any two with position against a weak postflop player when they have completed the small blind.

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But I also have to get a hand vs him, or he's not going anywhere most of the time. I leave the fancy stuff to the pros. Building pots with trash when deep vs calling stations not my idea of a good time.

irockhoess 11-26-2007 05:09 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
but he won't hit the flop a lot of the time (i doubt he is calling when he doesnt pair with like queen or king high), and if he does, some of those times you will hit the best hand...the rest of the time you just give up.

Daliman 11-26-2007 05:16 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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but he won't hit the flop a lot of the time (i doubt he is calling when he doesnt pair with like queen or king high), and if he does, some of those times you will hit the best hand...the rest of the time you just give up.

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I prefer to flop trips, turn 3rd nuts and value bet only slightly thin vs a badly played BPP. Works every time.

innerpeace 11-26-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
villain likely doesn't have a 9, so bet the biggest amount you think he'll call. also, i generally play more aggressively pre-flop and on the flop in situations like this, but your line might be acceptable depending on your image and how villain plays.

rand 11-26-2007 06:45 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
1111 on riv-absolute must

i raise pre also
i dont mind the flop smooth call though

imabigdeal 11-27-2007 12:12 AM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
what are you guys thinking he'll get paid off by on river? i'm not seeing much at all

StavrosT 11-27-2007 12:41 AM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
given your image, and the fact that all draws bricked on the river i kind of like an overbet here. something like 2200. the hH is confusing but do "ABC" players usually check with QQ when its limped to them?

StavrosT 11-27-2007 12:47 AM

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what are you guys thinking he'll get paid off by on river? i'm not seeing much at all

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villain is a calling station, and hero has been caught bluffing with missed draws...all draws missed so i think a station could convince himself to call with a lot of hands in this spot. A or K high, small PP, maybe even a deuce?

Jason Strasser (strassa2) 11-27-2007 02:01 AM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
value bet unless this guy will cr river with nothing a lot

imabigdeal 11-27-2007 02:23 AM

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what are you guys thinking he'll get paid off by on river? i'm not seeing much at all

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villain is a calling station, and hero has been caught bluffing with missed draws...all draws missed so i think a station could convince himself to call with a lot of hands in this spot. A or K high, small PP, maybe even a deuce?

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oops wow totally decided to not read description of villain... ya this is an easy bet then

Evigt_Drabbad 11-27-2007 05:59 AM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
whats atc?

innerpeace 11-27-2007 03:12 PM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
any two cards

Kala1928 11-28-2007 05:54 AM

Re: Decision with Doyle
 
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but he won't hit the flop a lot of the time (i doubt he is calling when he doesnt pair with like queen or king high), and if he does, some of those times you will hit the best hand...the rest of the time you just give up.

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I prefer to flop trips, turn 3rd nuts and value bet only slightly thin vs a badly played BPP. Works every time.

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sounds like poker and life decisions in general are easy for you


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