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BrandiFan 10-27-2007 05:07 PM

Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
Ok, I may have donked this up. I'm not that experienced in ring games...
UTG has been opening liberally from any position and generally lagging it up. No read on button as he just got to the table.
My combo draw on 4th turns into a pair of tens and I think I am ahead so I put out a blocking bet which he instashoves over. I am thinking he would flat call if he had a K or J, so I figure he either has a boat or air and I am getting 4-1. I called, thoughts on all streets are appreciated.
Poker Stars, $3/$6 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $705
MP1: $615
MP2: $801.50
CO: $600
BTN: $176.40
Hero (SB): $216.75
BB: $339
UTG: $655.70
UTG+1: $600

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $12</font>, 5 folds, BTN calls $12, Hero calls $9, BB calls $6

Flop: ($48) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($48) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $35</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $35

River: ($118) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $129.40 and is All-In</font>

oyvindgee 10-27-2007 05:19 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
What makes you think your pair is good initially? There's btw virtually no way he's bluff raising river this shallow stacked.

BrandiFan 10-27-2007 05:31 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
I thought he wasn't calling turn with a gutshot, maybe a flush draw, if he had paired the K he probably raises the turn. Jacks probably bet the flop. If he flopped a set he gave 3 opponents a chance to hit the turn.

Jamougha 10-27-2007 05:33 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
I expect he is a donk with AQ.

BrandiFan 10-27-2007 05:36 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
turns out he was a donk with 66, not sure what he was thinking.

BrandiFan 10-27-2007 05:39 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
Also
Brag: a couple orbits later I got it in with KK vs Grimms QQ
Beat: 3rd opponent had aces

Jamougha 10-27-2007 05:42 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
sweet

why did you only have 200 and why did you bet the river for 50 in the first place?

BrandiFan 10-27-2007 05:59 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
Bought in for $240, I know there's a ton of hate for shortstackers, but I am trying to learn and am comfortable in the 30-40 bb range due to tons of MTTs. I think this is a more worthwhile experience than playing 1/2 and buying in full.

I was thinking it was a blocking bet, but it wasn't a very good one with respect to his stack size since I committed myself.

d2themfi 10-27-2007 06:09 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
If ur trying to learn deep stack poker and to beat cash games, then do not buy in for 40bb at a higher level. Pick a level where you can comfortably buy in for 100bb and then drop one level from there and get in 25-50k hands atleast.

As for the hand he can def be shoving a king on the river he is a [censored] shortstack, also he can have [censored] like aq, a2 etc,

Jamougha 10-27-2007 06:18 PM

Re: Did I analyze this right? 3rd pair considering river call.
 
You will learn cash faster buying in full at a lower level. A lot of what you need to learn is the deepstack stuff remember.

Blocking bets are a bit of a joke among MSNL'ers. River bet doesn't get called by worse so it makes sense only to induce a bluff. I would check the river or shove to fold out a J.


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