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shimmle 11-12-2007 07:48 PM

OESFD OOP
 
BB: $56.45
Hero (UTG): $53.90
MP: $52.50
CO: $43.05
BTN: $87.95
SB: $49.50

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, 3 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2</font>, CO calls $2

Turn: ($7.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $15</font>, <font color="red">Hero..

derosnec 11-12-2007 07:49 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
um i dunno. your outs aren't disguised.

Lego05 11-12-2007 07:54 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
I like a bigger pre-flop raise ($2)


Definitely bet the flop bigger. $2.70 - $3.00.



Any stats or reads on villian?


I mean you're definitely either calling or shoving the turn.

Lego05 11-12-2007 07:55 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
Yea I like almost definitely shove this turn.

TheChad 11-12-2007 07:55 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. Sometimes I'll crai with it. here, you have a pair with it. I call his turn raise. He's put in half of his stack and FE is probably around zero. I peel one off looking for my half of the deck.

derosnec 11-12-2007 07:56 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
my first instinct was to shove, but board is so coordinated as to reduce alot of our FE (two pairs, straights, sets, etc. are all likely here)

Lego05 11-12-2007 07:56 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
[ QUOTE ]
one of my rules is to open shove into any size pot with any size stack with an OESFD. S

[/ QUOTE ]


This is pretty terrible if you actually mean that. So you would bet $52.40 into the $3.75 flop? That is really really bad.

z28dreams 11-12-2007 07:57 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
[ QUOTE ]
um i dunno. your outs aren't disguised.

[/ QUOTE ]

You're crazy. We have to AT LEAST call here. We're getting direct odds:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.847% 36.08% 00.77% 635 13.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 63.153% 62.39% 00.77% 1098 13.50 { JJ-99, KQs, J9s+, T9s, KQo, J9o+, T9o }

Against all 2 pairs, sets, and made straights, we only need 1.75:1.

Here, we're getting around 2.8:1.

There's almost no reason to shove, because a turn c/r here is AT LEAST 2 pair. There's no way he's folding.

I just call and shove if it makes it, c/f if it doesn't.

derosnec 11-12-2007 07:58 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
ohhh, so even if villain doesn't put another dime in on the river, we have odds to call? didn't do the math.

Lego05 11-12-2007 08:01 PM

Re: OESFD OOP
 
I think what he could have that he's calling a shove with:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,476 games 0.005 secs 695,200 games/sec

Board: 9s Jd Ts 3c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.714% 39.53% 04.19% 1374 145.50 { QsJs }
Hand 1: 56.286% 52.10% 04.19% 1811 145.50 { JcJh, JcJs, JhJs, TcTd, TcTh, TdTh, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9d9h, AcJc, AhJh, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, QcJc, QhJh, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, JcTc, JhTh, Jc9c, Jh9h, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, 87s, AcJh, AdJc, AdJh, AhJc, AsJc, AsJh, KcQd, KcQh, KdQc, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KsQc, KsQd, KsQh, QcJh, QcJs, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJc, QhJs, QcTd, QcTh, QdTc, QdTh, QhTc, QhTd, JcTd, JcTh, JhTc, JhTd, Jc9d, Jc9h, Jh9c, Jh9d, Tc9d, Tc9h, Td9c, Td9h, Th9c, Th9d, 87o }


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