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whizzle 08-10-2007 01:13 PM

NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
I really don't know how to play these hands. Some good advice would be very nice! tnx for the replies

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $40.39
BB: $6.93
Hero (UTG): $41.77
MP: $35.84
CO: $40.87
BTN: $14.08

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.00, SB calls $0.90, BB folds

Flop: ($3.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $2.50

River: ($8.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $6.17</font>, Hero folds

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $34.91
BB: $21.80
UTG: $22.53
Hero (CO): $38.91
BTN: $9.57

Preflop: Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, BB calls $2.75

River: ($10.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $11.25
Hero (BB): $26.41
UTG: $25.81
MP: $11.94
CO: $25.47
BTN: $46.44

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.00</font>, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $2.00</font>, SB folds, Hero calls $2.00

Turn: ($7) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $5.00</font>, Hero folds

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $27.47
BB: $33.73
UTG: $10.04
Hero (MP): $26.45
CO: $24.34
BTN: $28.84

Preflop: Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, CO calls $1.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $3.25</font>, Hero folds

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $20.40
Hero (BB): $28.38
UTG: $24.65
CO: $20.11
BTN: $26.43

Preflop: Hero is dealt 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.00</font>, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $1.50</font>, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $3.00</font>, Hero folds

tripdeuces 08-10-2007 01:21 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
1) Standard
2)Standard
3) Either lead or check raise this flop for info
4) You might want to fire a second barrel in case he is on a flush draw and there is only one over on the board.
5) you Can either 3 bet preflop or on the flop. As played a turn call would be good. His bet appears weak.

Pokerdemic 08-10-2007 01:23 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
You seem to be playing pretty passively on the flop. Hand number three is a bad check with an overpair on that board.

I think a typical way to play them is to raise them, and then play for set value. If you miss the set and you only have one or two opponents, and the board looks good, you can cbet. If it's called, and you have no draws and there are a bunch of overcards, shutting down is probably a good course of action.

4_2_it 08-10-2007 01:27 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
I'd c-bet every one of them and shut down if called. In hands 3 &amp;5 I am firing a 2nd barrel and seeing a showdown against most villains.

sww 08-10-2007 01:35 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
3)Close between raising and calling, don't fold. 9 changed nothing, his range is overpairs, sets and draws. If he has enough draws you should raise turn. I hate our position. Flop raise could be good too.

4)Being OOP sucks. I would bet the turn IP but now it would lead into too tough river situation. Also possibility could be a check/raise on turn if you think he could check then Jx behind on river.

5)Same as 3 but now there are additional draws and you are IP. Raise flop or turn.

Fisherman23 08-10-2007 02:10 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
In my experience I've found at these limits to just make a CB on a flop with 1 over, sometimes bet with 2 overs against tighter players who might also be playing PP. Usually shut down on the turn if called, and don't regret dropping the hand. This has yielded +EV quite clearly...it's when you check/call on iffy boards that you find yourself making tough decisions with these hands. Usually give unknowns the benefit of the doubt.

Perk76 08-10-2007 02:19 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 

"Grunch"
Hand 1 is a bad spot for a delayed CB. Any real hand here and you would of definately CB the flop due to draw nature. I just check/fold it down.

Hand 2 I CB the flop in this spot HU. Mid-pairs/Overpairs are definately in your range. Should have a high success rate on this flop against most villans. As played checking river is good. I dont mind the raise on the turn.

Hand 3: CB the flop, you still have an overpair with a drawy board, no reason to believe your not good at this point. Btn can be FOS so many times here since you did not bet the flop. Once you get to where your at, it has to come down to reads on the particular villan in the hand.

Hand 4: With no reads, I bet more on the flop. I like $1.75, and lead turn for 2/3 pot if villan is one that floats alot or fishy. Against a Fit or fold villan, I am done with hand after he calls the flop.

Hand 5: I normally 3bet from the BB here against just the SB. As played, I think turn is a good spot for a raise attempt to take down the pot, semi bluff on your draw. Calling isnt really all that good I dont think.

+EV 08-10-2007 03:27 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
Hand 1-2 cbet these please. I can't read any more because you are sucking the Aggro out of me with them.

+EV

whizzle 08-10-2007 03:31 PM

Re: NL25: trouble playing middle pocket pairs. How to play?
 
ok guys! tnx a lot for the replies... I'm gonna try to be more agressive on the flop with them! tnx


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