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100/200 150bb deep - play along
FullTiltPoker Game #2726546393: Table Data (6 max) - $100/$200 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:27:39 ET - 2007/06/21
Seat 1: pr1nnyraid ($34,878) Seat 2: sbrugby ($36,188) Seat 3: MUCKEMSAYUHH ($37,305.50) Seat 4: TeeDitty ($35,508) Seat 5: LucLongley ($39,279) Seat 6: tkdcrew ($42,485) pr1nnyraid posts the small blind of $100 sbrugby posts the big blind of $200 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pr1nnyraid [3h Ah] MUCKEMSAYUHH folds TeeDitty has 15 seconds left to act TeeDitty raises to $700 LucLongley folds tkdcrew folds pr1nnyraid calls $600 sbrugby calls $500 *** FLOP *** [As 8h 4c] pr1nnyraid??? TeeDitty is apparently Tuan Le, who is running at 40/25 and a complete maniac. I can't repop him preflop because he shoves 90% of his range over a 3-bet and I really dislike mucking this hand against a player like him. Lead or check the flop? I'll post next action when I wake up. |
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checkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
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c/c probably
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preflop seems poor unless you're very comfortable with this exact scenario
given your stacks, leading flop and opening yourself up for a raise seems awful, you've flopped a small pot hand and have running nut outs if behind can't see anything besides c/c on this flop, and if Aba gets involved you're done |
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c/c probably [/ QUOTE ] |
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can't see anything besides c/c on this flop, and if Aba gets involved you're done [/ QUOTE ] |
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PF is definately fine against this guy, he looked very stackable to me. Also worth noting that while he was a total nut-ball, he was obviously very skilled...that river c/r AI vs aba was [censored] sick...board like Q68Tx or something, no flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] Why is he skilled? Because he made a check raise that worked one time? |
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Oh, for sure, he isn't noataima or skywalker, he certainly has a bag of tricks. Whether he uses that bag correctly or not... thats another story.
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folding preflop would be giving up quite a bit with the way this guy was playing last night
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Seat 1: pr1nnyraid ($34,878)
Seat 2: sbrugby ($36,188) Seat 3: MUCKEMSAYUHH ($37,305.50) Seat 4: TeeDitty ($35,508) Seat 5: LucLongley ($39,279) Seat 6: tkdcrew ($42,485) pr1nnyraid posts the small blind of $100 sbrugby posts the big blind of $200 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pr1nnyraid [3h Ah] MUCKEMSAYUHH folds TeeDitty has 15 seconds left to act TeeDitty raises to $700 LucLongley folds tkdcrew folds pr1nnyraid calls $600 sbrugby calls $500 *** FLOP *** [As 8h 4c] pr1nnyraid checks sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act sbrugby checks TeeDitty checks *** TURN *** [As 8h 4c] [9h] pr1nnyraid ?? Lead or check here? If I check and sbrugby bets and Tee calls, action? If I check and sbrugby bets and Tee folds? If I check and sbrugby checks and Tee bets? What do you guys think? |
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Lead or check here? [/ QUOTE ] I like lead, though certainly checking sometimes is fine, and I can def be convinced that checking is better vs these 2. [ QUOTE ] If I check and sbrugby bets and Tee calls, action? [/ QUOTE ] too much equity to turn your hand into a bluff, or a weak semi bluff- i like a call. [ QUOTE ] If I check and sbrugby bets and Tee folds? [/ QUOTE ] unless u think the 2 of you have such an aggro dynamic that brian can call a c/r really light, or possibly 3bet really light, it seems like a call. [ QUOTE ] If I check and sbrugby checks and Tee bets? [/ QUOTE ] Against most I'd call, but if this guy really is going absolutely nuts I guess you could c/r for value? mehhh even against a lunatic I still like turning your hand into a bluff catcher. |
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This is a somewhat lazy analysis but, I don't think you're getting raised too often by aba if you lead and I'm not sure how capable tuan lee is of making a squeeze at the pot if aba calls your lead, but I'd be wary of check calling a bet by tuan lee and then having aba blow you off the pot. So I prefer a lead.
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Tuan is loose. But that board has no real draws. Just pot it and hope he raises you.
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This is a somewhat lazy analysis but, I don't think you're getting raised too often by aba if you lead and I'm not sure how capable tuan lee is of making a squeeze at the pot if aba calls your lead, but I'd be wary of check calling a bet by tuan lee and then having aba blow you off the pot. So I prefer a lead. [/ QUOTE ] they are all quite deep and hero picked up a flush draw; there is no real way hero can get blown off this pot on the turn really, any play is fine on the turn, I think. |
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[ QUOTE ] This is a somewhat lazy analysis but, I don't think you're getting raised too often by aba if you lead and I'm not sure how capable tuan lee is of making a squeeze at the pot if aba calls your lead, but I'd be wary of check calling a bet by tuan lee and then having aba blow you off the pot. So I prefer a lead. [/ QUOTE ] they are all quite deep and hero picked up a flush draw; there is no real way hero can get blown off this pot on the turn really, any play is fine on the turn, I think. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. How is Tuan against this lineup? My thought is that he is by far the mark, but I could be wrong. EDIT: dunno who tkdcrew is but I assume it's durrrr/hcdnttb/urindanger, or some other reg I'm forgetting |
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i like checking and calling on the turn
and then sometimes leading the river UI, sometimes leading the river improved, but usually checking edited to say that i actually kind of like a CR and call shove |
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This is a somewhat lazy analysis but, I don't think you're getting raised too often by aba if you lead and I'm not sure how capable tuan lee is of making a squeeze at the pot if aba calls your lead, but I'd be wary of check calling a bet by tuan lee and then having aba blow you off the pot. So I prefer a lead. [/ QUOTE ] I think this is the best line. check calling seems weak becasue what do you expect to lead the river that you can call expecting to beat? |
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[ QUOTE ] This is a somewhat lazy analysis but, I don't think you're getting raised too often by aba if you lead and I'm not sure how capable tuan lee is of making a squeeze at the pot if aba calls your lead, but I'd be wary of check calling a bet by tuan lee and then having aba blow you off the pot. So I prefer a lead. [/ QUOTE ] they are all quite deep and hero picked up a flush draw; there is no real way hero can get blown off this pot on the turn really, any play is fine on the turn, I think. [/ QUOTE ] bah i thought it was 2/4...I still like leading because I think you get raised less often. |
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I can't repop him preflop because he shoves 90% of his range over a 3-bet and I really dislike mucking this hand against a player like him. [/ QUOTE ] i mean i hate to be a jerk here, and i haven't run the numbers but wouldn't just 3 betting and calling a shove be fine then? |
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i think once brian checks the flop behind you're probably okay, and can bet and call a raise from Tuan, and c/c the river if UI, c/r the river if you improve
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i think once brian checks the flop behind you're probably okay, [/ QUOTE ] lol what? why? You think brian isnt check/raising a set a lot of the time here? Or slightly better Axss? |
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i led, but i'm fairly certain checking is the better play
FullTiltPoker Game #2726546393: Table Data (6 max) - $100/$200 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:27:39 ET - 2007/06/21 Seat 1: pr1nnyraid ($34,878) Seat 2: sbrugby ($36,188) Seat 3: MUCKEMSAYUHH ($37,305.50) Seat 4: TeeDitty ($35,508) Seat 5: LucLongley ($39,279) Seat 6: tkdcrew ($42,485) pr1nnyraid posts the small blind of $100 sbrugby posts the big blind of $200 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pr1nnyraid [3h Ah] MUCKEMSAYUHH folds TeeDitty has 15 seconds left to act TeeDitty raises to $700 LucLongley folds tkdcrew folds pr1nnyraid calls $600 sbrugby calls $500 *** FLOP *** [As 8h 4c] pr1nnyraid checks sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act sbrugby checks TeeDitty checks *** TURN *** [As 8h 4c] [9h] pr1nnyraid bets $1,600 sbrugby calls $1,600 TeeDitty folds *** RIVER *** [As 8h 4c 9h] [2s] my line? |
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bet/fold to a raise
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I am leading river again hoping to get looked up light thinking that you took a stab on the turn w/ any number of oesd/gutter/fd hands.
I would seriously consider calling a raise as well. |
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def lead out, he hasnt shown ne strength yet, if he raises then i am not sure where i go cuz he might be raising a missed draw on this board.
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no, flop went chkchkchk. turn went bet/call/fold. i agree that turn should be checked. i would c/c or c/f the river. def don't think you're ahead 50% of the time you're called on the river (although of course I agree you're ahead more than 50% of the time, which is irrelevant).
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what about river c/r?
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for value? too thin. for bluff? insane.
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I am leading river again hoping to get looked up light thinking that you took a stab on the turn w/ any number of oesd/gutter/fd hands. I would seriously consider calling a raise as well. [/ QUOTE ] |
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what about river c/r? [/ QUOTE ] i just don't think he's going to betting <Ax if you check to him outside of busted draws so there's no point in c/r those. If somehow you knew that he would bet 2nd pair then I think a river c/r would be pretty sick. |
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river c/r would definitely be a bluff not for value
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river c/r would definitely be a bluff not for value [/ QUOTE ] wtf are you trying to bluff and how could you ever assume he's only betting hand that beat you if you check given the action? |
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river c/r would definitely be a bluff not for value [/ QUOTE ] i'm gonna stick with 'insane'. i think c/c is a LOT better than c/r. |
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[ QUOTE ] river c/r would definitely be a bluff not for value [/ QUOTE ] i'm gonna stick with 'insane'. i think c/c is a LOT better than c/r. [/ QUOTE ] what about c/f? where do you rate that? couldn't i play a set exactly the same way with a river c/r? i don't know if he will only bet hands that beat me. i hold the 3h so i could also have 3h5h. will aba make a somewhat obvious bluff with a missed draw? all relevant. if he is betting for value, he probably has AT-AQ. so how is a c/r insane? |
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FullTiltPoker Game #2726546393: Table Data (6 max) - $100/$200 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:27:39 ET - 2007/06/21
Seat 1: pr1nnyraid ($34,878) Seat 2: sbrugby ($36,188) Seat 3: MUCKEMSAYUHH ($37,305.50) Seat 4: TeeDitty ($35,508) Seat 5: LucLongley ($39,279) Seat 6: tkdcrew ($42,485) pr1nnyraid posts the small blind of $100 sbrugby posts the big blind of $200 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to pr1nnyraid [3h Ah] MUCKEMSAYUHH folds TeeDitty has 15 seconds left to act TeeDitty raises to $700 LucLongley folds tkdcrew folds pr1nnyraid calls $600 sbrugby calls $500 *** FLOP *** [As 8h 4c] pr1nnyraid checks sbrugby has 15 seconds left to act sbrugby checks TeeDitty checks *** TURN *** [As 8h 4c] [9h] pr1nnyraid bets $1,600 sbrugby calls $1,600 TeeDitty folds *** RIVER *** [As 8h 4c 9h] [2s] pr1nnyraid checks sbrugby bets $4,800 i hate a lead, btw, MAYBE he looks me up with something like 9Ts, but it's super thin |
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