Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

I want to get all my dollars in the pot here, but I couldn't decide how to go about it.

1) Bet and hope for someone to raise
2) Check and hope for someone to bet so I can raise

What do you guys think? I wasn't crazy about making this kind of overbet, but like I said, I wanted to get it all in there on the flop.

Full Tilt Poker, NL Hold'em Tournament, 80/160 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: 545
SB: 8,710
Hero (BB): 2,460
UTG: 10,820
UTG+1: 5,500
UTG+2: 7,164
MP1: 8,200
MP2: 4,015
CO: 1,705

Pre-Flop: (240) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls 160, MP1 calls 160, 3 folds, SB calls 80, Hero checks

Flop: (640) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG+2 bets 160</font>, MP1 calls 160, SB calls 160, <font color="red">Hero raises to 2,300 and is All-In</font>

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

This is good, it's not that much of an overbet really.

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

its pretty transparent and i think you're getting looked up by better flushdraws here a lot but its not horrible

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

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its pretty transparent and i think you're getting looked up by better flushdraws here a lot but its not horrible

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He's ahead of "better flush draws" though right?

I think the play is fine, and I probaly plan on the CRAI as well, but after the min raise, and the calls, I consider calling to keep it multi-way and ramp up my implied odds, whilst maybe being able to get away from it if the turn and river bricks.

I think the pot is a little small to be planning on getting it all on the flop automatically.

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

Looks good. A little deeper I like a bet/3bet all in.

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

is he?

lets say they have A9s for arguments sake

its 48% A9s, 52% 75s. basically a deadlock. now i know theres dead money in there and thats if someone doesnt get all brave on you and call you with say K8 or Q8 or some [censored].

im just saying i'd rather do this with a higher flush draw so its not the optimal c/r shove a pair+draw combo only because if you get looked up by either a better flush draw or a better pair you're really not in as good of shape as usual.

with the amount of people taking interest in calling a bet on the flop im willing to assume there might be a better flush draw out there a lot of the time

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

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its pretty transparent and i think you're getting looked up by better flushdraws here a lot but its not horrible

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Nothing transparent here.

How would you play a set, any two pair combo, a str8/flush draw, even possible TPTK or 99 here?

A pot size raise here would commit t1,440, or more than half of hero's stack.

This is pretty much always a push.

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

I lead the flop with two players left to act (~380), flop checked around really sucks in this spot.

Re: Pair and a draw...let\'s do it
 

looks good, play is fine

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its pretty transparent and i think you're getting looked up by better flushdraws here a lot but its not horrible

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Nothing transparent here.

How would you play a set, any two pair combo, a str8/flush draw, even possible TPTK or 99 here?

A pot size raise here would commit t1,440, or more than half of hero's stack.

This is pretty much always a push.

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actually a lot of those i would lead

and i think a lot of people would rather c/r the draw because of the added fold equity.

just because its transparent doesnt make it bad.

and so what if you do it with a lot of other hands. A LOT of players are going to think he is playing a flush draw like this because this has become almost the default play for a hand like this, and i wouldnt put it against them for putting him on a flush draw. this time he actually has it instead of the other hands in his range. thats why i said its fairly transparent