Rockies fans are gonna be pissed. Braun Wins ROY
 

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Meh, I'm probably the biggest Rockies fan on this board and I'm ok with it.


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not a bad decision

Now if Holliday doesn't get MVP they'll be pissed.

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not a bad decision

Now if Holliday doesn't get MVP they'll be pissed.

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with the coors field factor, i wouldnt be shocked if holliday doesnt win it

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I just cant think of anyone else who should win it.

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with the coors field factor, i wouldnt be shocked if holliday doesnt win it

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With the East Coast media bias, I wouldn't be shocked if Holliday doesn't win it.

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No biggie.. just like having one of the best fielding teams ever and not getting a gold glove.

Just like having only one Bronco in the Hall of Fame.

This is to be expected here.

If Tulo played for a NY team he would have had a much better chance.

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imo this is a complete sham. I know Braun put up sick numbers considering the amount of games he playd, but Tulo played a demanding defensive position and played it incredibly well. led his team to the post-season.

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No biggie.. just like having one of the best fielding teams ever and not getting a gold glove.

Just like having only one Bronco in the Hall of Fame.

This is to be expected here.

If Tulo played for a NY team he would have had a much better chance.

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No biggie.. just like having one of the best fielding teams ever and not getting a gold glove.

Just like having only one Bronco in the Hall of Fame.

This is to be expected here.

If Tulo played for a NY team he would have had a much better chance.

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I just cant think of anyone else who should win it.

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david wright (minus playoff crap, deservedly so), jimmy rollins, albert pujols (minus playoff crap, deservedly so)...


any of those guys wouldnt even compare to the horrible selection of braun over TT.

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if you are minusing the playoff crap then its hanley ramirez, but he didnt even get the silver slugger.

That was much worse than this and I think everyone with some sense knows it.

Seeing as how voters include the playoff crap (which I disagree with ldo) wright and pujols shouldnt get it. Rollins would just be a terrible choice since utley is better anyway, but the media seem to love sucking on some 20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20 stuff he did despite his .344 on base percentage.

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No biggie.. just like having one of the best fielding teams ever and not getting a gold glove.

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Do the Rockies really have one of the best fielding teams ever? I highly doubt it. They rank 8th in defensive efficiency, although I'm sure they're higher once you adjust for park. But still, that's not a sign of one of the greatest defensive teams ever, just another group of people overrating errors, or lack thereof.

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f you are minusing the playoff crap then its hanley ramirez, but he didnt even get the silver slugger.

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um no. honestly, tulowtizki would be a better M V P candidate than ramirez. i mean barely, but whatever just making a point.

its obvious you are 100% ignoring defense.

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t. Rollins would just be a terrible choice since utley is better anyway, but the media seem to love sucking on some 20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20 stuff he did despite his .344 on base percentage.

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LOL @ terrible choice. ryan braun was a TERRIBLE choice for ROY. rollins would be a choice that would cause debate, but would be FAR from terrible.

you are out of your element here donnie, sorry.

why the irrational hate for jimmy rollins by people? position adjusted he is the most valuable player on the phillies going forward, yet everybody blows howard and utely.

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silver slugger = no defense taken into account. stop.

lol @ braun being TERRIBLE for ROY.

no one blows howard. everyone blows utley. utley >>>>>> rollins. sorry.

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Does anyone know if defensive efficiency adjusts for HRs? Because that shouldn't really be counted against the defense.

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lol @ braun being TERRIBLE for ROY.

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Yeah I don't understand not seeing how a reasonable case can be made for Braun. Sane people can disagree as to whether the right choice was made, but to LOL at choosing Braun and calling it a "terrible" choice is silly and borderline trollerish.

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None of this matters, anyway. I've never really understood why sports writers get to choose the "official" awards. Awards voted by one's peers are more meaningful in my opinion, anyway.

Braun won the Players' Choice ROY, too.

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um no. honestly, tulowtizki would be a better M V P candidate than ramirez. i mean barely, but whatever just making a point.


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LOL

LOL

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Sorry I cant read anymore. Hopefully the rest of your post wasn't as stupid as that, but you no longer have credibility anyway.

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lol @ braun being TERRIBLE for ROY.

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LOL at you LOL at that.

really. its an AWFUL choice.

TT was AT LEAST twice as valuable this year as braun, probably close to three times as valuable.

TT had a HISTORICALLY GREAT rookie season. braun had a good one.

how do you people completely ignore defense and position?

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is there anybody with a clue reading this right now?

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probably close to three times as valuable.


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you're bad at trolling.

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lol @ braun being TERRIBLE for ROY.

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Yeah I don't understand not seeing how a reasonable case can be made for Braun. Sane people can disagree as to whether the right choice was made, but to LOL at choosing Braun and calling it a "terrible" choice is silly and borderline trollerish.

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dude, TT was worth over TWICE as many wins as RB.

lets apply this to the MVP award. i will pick a guy holliday was TWICE as valuable as....hrmmm lets pick a guy who made the playoffs and even plays the same position....

PAT BURREL

now if pat burrell won the MVP award, would you admit that was TERRIBLE?

ok, good. now why cant you do the same for braun?

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lol @ braun being TERRIBLE for ROY.

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Yeah I don't understand not seeing how a reasonable case can be made for Braun. Sane people can disagree as to whether the right choice was made, but to LOL at choosing Braun and calling it a "terrible" choice is silly and borderline trollerish.

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dude, TT was worth over TWICE as many wins as RB.

lets apply this to the MVP award. i will pick a guy holliday was TWICE as valuable as....hrmmm lets pick a guy who made the playoffs and even plays the same position....

PAT BURREL

now if pat burrell won the MVP award, would you admit that was TERRIBLE?

ok, good. now why cant you do the same for braun?

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Twice as many wins? ORLY?

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=winshares&league_filter[]=NL

Not that win shares is the be all end all stat or that its calculated perfectly, but you aren't even close.

Quit trolling.

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um no. honestly, tulowtizki would be a better M V P candidate than ramirez. i mean barely, but whatever just making a point.


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LOL

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Sorry I cant read anymore. Hopefully the rest of your post wasn't as stupid as that, but you no longer have credibility anyway.

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to go thru life so oblivious to the actual truth is so sad.

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you seem to be overrating defense by an insane amount.

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WARP 3 >>>>> WS

also i am quite confident WARP 3 doesnt capture how good TT is in the field and how bad braun is.

wow this is not worth my time.

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you seem to be overrating defense by an insane amount.

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um, no. YOU seem to underrating it by an insane amount. also the importance of position.

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WARP 3 >>>>> WS

also i am quite confident WARP 3 doesnt capture how good TT is in the field and how bad braun is.

wow this is not worth my time.

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ah yes, even the stat you hand select doesnt prove your point. Why not make up your own, then you can have it spit out whatever you want.

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UM READING IS GOOD FOR BRAIN

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ah yes, even the stat you hand select doesnt prove your point

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uh 2007 warp3

braun 4.8
TT 10.8

if you read my posts i say he is at least twice as more valuable.

also LOL @ 'hand select'.....its the best stats available for these purposes. if that 'hand selected' stat said they were close to equal we wouldnt be having this debate.

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Actually WARP3 isn't. Even BP would admit that.

Simply gonna notify all your posts troll ^^

plz don't feed the trolls, let's resume the rest of the thread

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Actually WARP3 isn't. Even BP would admit that.

Simply gonna notify all your posts troll ^^

plz don't feed the trolls, let's resume the rest of the thread

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ok genius whats the best position adjusted 'available' metric for discussing players overall worth?

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So I dids some research on the warps and saw hanley ramirez has a higher warp1 and warp3 and the same warp2 as tulowitzki.

So is this a good stat or not? Obv must fail because you said tulowitzki should be mvp over hanley, amirite?

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why the irrational hate for jimmy rollins by people? position adjusted he is the most valuable player on the phillies going forward, yet everybody blows howard and utely.

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I down with the TT love but is this a typo?

Utley crushes Rollins at the bat, even giving Rollins the positional boost, and Utley is a better 2b than Rollins is a SS. Or if you want to add in the positional adjustment on defense, then Rollins is little more valuable defensively but Utley crushes him as a hitter.

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no rollins 11.5 warp3 utley 10.8 rollins = MVP obv