$215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

So I played this donkament today and I think i was a donk! So the villain in this hand is a little loose but nothing that screams maniac....Of course, I thought he could have a King or Queen, but would lay down most anything BUT top two pair and a set.....How bad did I play this?


PokerStars Game #12764420004: Tournament #63861124, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (100/200) - 2007/10/21 - 17:00:31 (ET)
Table '63861124 255' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Indyguy28 (9000 in chips)
Seat 2: faithless (10775 in chips)
Seat 3: ephman (9500 in chips)
Seat 4: snurrehjul (8775 in chips)
Seat 5: itjustagame (9650 in chips)
Seat 6: sstfc (11800 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: mdafeedback (9100 in chips)
Seat 8: mntanabanana (10050 in chips)
Seat 9: Nofear23 (11325 in chips)
faithless: posts small blind 100
ephman: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Indyguy28 [Th Js]
snurrehjul: folds
itjustagame: folds
sstfc: folds
mdafeedback: calls 200
mntanabanana: folds
Nofear23: folds
Indyguy28: calls 200
faithless: folds
ephman: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d Qc Kh]
ephman: checks
mdafeedback: bets 350
sstfc is connected
sstfc has returned
Indyguy28: raises 850 to 1200
ephman: folds
mdafeedback: raises 850 to 2050
Indyguy28: raises 6750 to 8800 and is all-in
mdafeedback: calls 6750
*** TURN *** [4d Qc Kh] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [4d Qc Kh Qd] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mdafeedback: shows [4s 4c] (a full house, Fours full of Queens)
Indyguy28: shows [Th Js] (a pair of Queens)
mdafeedback collected 18300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18300 | Rake 0
Board [4d Qc Kh Qd 6h]
Seat 1: Indyguy28 (button) showed [Th Js] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 2: faithless (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: ephman (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: snurrehjul folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: itjustagame folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sstfc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: mdafeedback showed [4s 4c] and won (18300) with a full house, Fours full of Queens
Seat 8: mntanabanana folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Nofear23 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

You think he would lay down anything but two pair+ which is a reasonable theory but you kind of have a problem in that generally when people 4 bet you on this type of flop and these stacks, he probably has 2 pair +. This is really bad imo.

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

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You think he would lay down anything but two pair+ which is a reasonable theory but you kind of have a problem in that generally when people 4 bet you on this type of flop and these stacks, he probably has 2 pair +. This is really bad imo.

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agreed....what is the best way to play this hand? Also, i have a "lottery ticket" mentality with MTTs because I believe its just so much luck that I'd even get it in behind here to "gamble"...is this common or do I need help?

Indy

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

I would flat-call the flop the first time around. Given that you raised and got min-reraised, I think you have no FE, so I would just call the reraise because of the pot odds. As for the turn/river, I only continue if he gives me the correct pot odds/implied odds to continue, and I fold if any card pairs the board.

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

Indy ,

I would have just called the flop . On the turn , If he makes another smallish bet , I probably raise it .

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

I just call the flop bet, as played the 5-bet is generally pure spew, just call the 4-bet planning to fold turn UI. I am not a big fan of the pf limp.

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

thanks guys, i am gonna get a poker coach for MTTs....I am a beast at HUSNG but cannot seem to get that lottery ticket mentality out of my head when it comes to MTTs.

Indy

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

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I just call the flop bet, as played the 4-bet is generally pure spew, just call the 3-bet planning to fold turn UI. I am not a big fan of the pf limp.

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FYP

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

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I just call the flop bet, as played the 4-bet is generally pure spew, just call the 3-bet planning to fold turn UI. I am not a big fan of the pf limp.

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FYP

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QFT

Re: $215 Sunday Million-How bad is this?
 

hate it. Also I think the original flop raise is very wrong, especially in this type of tournament. The rest of the hand is much less important than the original decision to raise the flop.

Everyone is saying they would call the flop the first time around, but I don't think they are nearly emphasizing how much worse raising is. That's my feeling at least.