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Todd Terry 10-21-2007 10:54 AM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
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But if you think your opponent is hip to an inverse relationship of bet size and hand strength you can pull something like this with a big pair to elicit the allin ...

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No. Given the short stacked 3rd player, ZJ will have to fold mediocre hands to any sized reraise, will shove strong hands over a normal sized reraise but fold (or consider folding, as in this thread) them to a huge "I'm pot committed reraise". So if apestyles has a monster hand, making a normal sized reraise dominates making a larger reraise, which means it's as good as or better than in all possible scenarios. Which is why I said he would never do this with a good hand.

betgo 10-21-2007 12:23 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
OP should be playing very tight here with stack sizes. I would be willing to play the short stack, but play tight with ape to act. Possibly raise smaller here.

The large reraise is obviously pot committing, so fold. If ape keeps doing this every time you raise, then you can reevaluate.

Hattifnatt 10-21-2007 12:27 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
can someone ICM this? I guess you need a very high equity to push this assuming he will never fold.

IWEARGOGGLES 10-21-2007 12:39 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
Christian,

It doesn't matter how wide his range is. This is a fold.

Yours,

Goggles

betgo 10-21-2007 12:47 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
Say ape has a random hand, then you are 60% to win. If your expectation is $5K if you go allin and win the hand, then your overall expectation is $3900 going allin. This is only slightly more than 2nd place money, which you are almost guarenteed by folding.

In the first place, you should raise less or maybe open fold this hand.

djk123 10-21-2007 12:56 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
think u need TT+

Double Ice 10-21-2007 01:06 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
shove is terrible, no question

stove any range into it, you will see

even if villian is shoving like 40% it is still probably bad, but i didnt check

play more sngs

djk123 10-21-2007 01:08 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
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shove is terrible, no question

stove any range into it, you will see

even if villian is shoving like 40% it is still probably bad.

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it's bad even if ape is shoving 100%. assuming ape is shoving 100%, i think u'd need TT+.

AcTiOnJaCsOn 10-21-2007 01:15 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
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shove is terrible, no question

stove any range into it, you will see

even if villian is shoving like 40% it is still probably bad.

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it's bad even if ape is shoving 100%. assuming ape is shoving 100%, i think u'd need TT+.

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wow really this seems kinda tight but calling range shpuld def be tighter than a 9 o and up

ZJ123 10-21-2007 01:46 PM

Re: FT Hand against Apestyles (is this -$ev)
 
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shove is terrible, no question

stove any range into it, you will see

even if villian is shoving like 40% it is still probably bad, but i didnt check

play more sngs

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Ape is shoving like close to a 100% of hands


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