maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

SB is the reason for the season, so I imagine tsarrast is easing off on his squeezing range to allow him to join in our fun. River I feel like he's just not valueraising many worse hands, and it seems like a pretty bad spot to bluffraise me, so, I let it go. Agree/disagree? would you play other streets differently? What of the river bet size? (I had various ideas for the turn play, but figured i'd check out his bet size and go from there)

Full Tilt Poker $25.00/$50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

SamH133 (BB): $8644.00
Urindanger (UTG): $13397.50
PeachyK33N (MP): $5127.00
Hero (CO): $5000.00
tsarrast (BTN): $6146.00
Big fish (SB): $4464.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 fold, <font color="#FF0000">PeachyK33N raises to $155</font>, Hero calls $155, tsarrast calls $155, 2 folds

Flop: ($540.00) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
PeachyK33N checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $395</font>, tsarrast calls $395, PeachyK33N folds

Turn: ($1330.00) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, tsarrast checks

River: ($1330.00) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#FF0000">Hero bets $1100</font>, <font color="#FF0000">tsarrast raises to $3700</font>, Hero folds

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

i'd prob bet 950 on the turn, you can fold out lots of stuff that beats you, and probably dump your hand safely if he raises. i don't mind the check though.

river is a good fold i think, i don't him trying to bluff you here very much, the big question is does he value raise worse enough to call here, but i wouldn't think so, though i've never played with him

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

yeah, i would bet the turn.

I wanna agree with dlizzle on betting less, but i probably end up calling this raise 20-30% of the time where your line stands to get more value when called and makes it easier to FOLD to a raise.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

fold seems good from what ive seen of him

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

You play a flopped set the same way till the river right? His line is strong so it makes sense to lay this down, but where does it end? K high? A high? 33? From what I know he's good, so why can't this ever be a bluff? There has to be a point where you must call purely for game-theoretic reasons. We're still putting in less than 100BB total, so I'm inclined to say a Q high flush is in that range.

There, my rationalization for being a station.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

snap fold.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

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snap fold.

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is nut flush a snap fold as well? what about 3's full?

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

I fold this here i think boat as hit alot of the time

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

I fold now, rest looks purrty standard


what am I talking about bet the turn

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I fold now, rest looks purrty standard


what am I talking about bet the turn

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Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

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never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?

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i don't think so unless tsarrast thinks OP will bet out into two players with air a lot on this board.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

i would call, i think your flush is good at least 40% of the time

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

It is a spot where hero's range is completely undefined, and tsarrast is going to usually have showdown value hands here that either beat a bluff or do not beat a bluff. When he raises in a spot where DJ either has a flush, fh or is bluffing (given this action and this board), a raise signifies a lot of strength.

Therefore I agree with fsu that this should be a fold, though im not nearly good enough to snap fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

It is important to note that we do beat 2 very reasonable combinations of flushes (7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) which would likely play this way. However higher flushes and 88 should also be given a fair amount of weight.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

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never played with tsarrat but doesn't your line look pretty bluffy?

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This is why you should fold [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

Those who bet the turn are we doing so purely to fold out a better flush draw? Because nothing else folds, right?

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

Rich, idk the guy in question but lots of pps he could have often fold to a 2nd barrel.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

Hmm. It seems to me like the best case scenario for any one pair hand which the button called the flop with: the pfr folded, and the turn came an offsuit 2. If there isn't too much history, why would we expect him to fold a pair on the turn when there aren't actually very many strong hands we're representing at all?

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

I would fold and leave the table, thats a sick lineup even if there is a fish

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

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I would fold and leave the table, thats a sick lineup even if there is a fish

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disagree, but barely. one big fish is enough to feed a whole table. but agree that doesnt even look like a very good 100/200 table...

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

You guys realize that isnt peachy, right? That table really isnt that bad.

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

sam, urin, peachy and tsar is a tough lineup. and no, i didnt realise that wasnt peachy. that does change things, though. as i said, i'd play this table with a big fish, but it's not really on the good end of the spectrum....

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I would fold and leave the table, thats a sick lineup even if there is a fish

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you;'re a vag, that table is not that bad

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

Guys help me to calculate this. Does A-high flush count as one? I mean when I put this to pokerstove is it enough to add A-high flush only once?

Re: maybe standard laydown with a flush, 25/50
 

fold preflop.