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Scipio 05-01-2007 01:15 PM

Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($1534.81)
Hero ($591)
BB ($993.45)
UTG ($610)
MP ($1131.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $19, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $39</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $120</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: $209

binions 05-01-2007 01:25 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($1534.81)
Hero ($591)
BB ($993.45)
UTG ($610)
MP ($1131.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $22</font>, Hero calls $19, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $39</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $120</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: $209

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I hate when I put myself in that situation. I hate checkraising ~22% of my stack on a draw out of position. Nothing worse than him calling and a blank hitting the turn. I realize that you have to make this play occasionally to balance the times you make it with a made hand. But that's the only valid reason to make the play.

I prefer to either keep the pot small by check-calling, or making a smallish bet at the flop giving myself decent odds if he calls. If he raises my flop bet, I can decide to get rid of my postitional disadvantage with a bet/3bet all in on the flop line, or I can get away from the hand if need be.

Scipio 05-01-2007 01:41 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
good post, thank you!

Letīs assume hero calls and turn is a blank :
What do you do if villian bets again?
Which odds do i need for a call?
Are there situations where i can make a "+EV-Play" with an unimproved hand on the River?

Kristian 05-01-2007 01:41 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
This flop line is pretty much standard for me. If he puts me all in, which will happen only rarely, I will be ok folding my draw to what is then certainly a better hand.

Jay Riall 05-01-2007 02:35 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
I bet-3bet all-in here with fd+overs.

MATT111 05-01-2007 02:41 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
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I bet-3bet all-in here with fd+overs.

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You donk made hands here as well?

binions 05-01-2007 02:44 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
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I bet-3bet all-in here with fd+overs.

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You donk made hands here as well?

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I do. If I bet/3bet all in with "flush draw plus" hands occasionally, then I have to do it occasionally with sets and 2 pair and overpair hands too.

Jay Riall 05-01-2007 02:46 PM

Re: Common Situation : Flushdraw oop
 
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I bet-3bet all-in here with fd+overs.

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You donk made hands here as well?

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I do. If I bet/3bet all in with "flush draw plus" hands occasionally, then I have to do it occasionally with sets and 2 pair and overpair hands too.

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Yeah, depends how often I play them. If its a lot obviously I have to throw in some sets, one-pair, air hands in every now and then.


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