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neaera 06-13-2007 05:04 AM

NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
does a push here have enough equity? I am pretty sure he has an overpair, but thought my 10 outs were ok for a semibluff. vs the range JJ+ I am a 2:1 dog.

villain has been passive so far, no further reads.


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $12.25
BB: $77.25
UTG: $40.05
MP: $52.65
<font color="black">Hero (CO): $114.40</font>
BTN: $86.25

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.50</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $14.00</font>

neaera 06-14-2007 04:38 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
too trivial?

The_Bankroll 06-14-2007 04:45 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
why are you so sure he has an overpair? but going with that read, it's a fold.

FUstaRS 06-14-2007 04:47 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
I think you have to throw in 9's and 10's, no?

Board: 7d Ts 9h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.657% 67.05% 00.61% 119484 1080.00 { 99+ }
Hand 1: 32.343% 31.74% 00.61% 56556 1080.00 { 88 }

FUstaRS 06-14-2007 04:50 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
fwiw, push is the worst imo, he is never folding.

If he was deeper you could call and fold turn ui.

RunDownHouse 06-14-2007 04:53 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
I'm new to this, so take that as you will.

If he's passive, I'm 3betting pf in position with the hope of taking it down. Any time I 3bet and get called, I'm up against AK at the worst and a good chance of being against a bigger pair. I can just fold pf to a 4bet, since he'll only be doing it with AA/KK/maybe QQ or AK, but the times he flat calls its all those hands plus maybe TT+ and AQs+. Feel free to throw some other hands in there for fun, but if I 3bet and get called, its by something that's got me at a flip or worse, right?

If I flat call, his range widens, but how much? I think its hard to tell really, but if he seems passive and he's opening UTG, that gives us a direction. Its probably not Ax and probably something not something like KT. Your flop raise might fold out a lot, or all, of the Ax hands up to AK, but once he 3bets you're toast. You called pf in position, raised a very drawy flop in position, and he wants to get it in. He's either daring you to shove on a draw or he's got top pair beat, at the very least.

Because of all that, I don't think you have any fold equity. I don't think players at this level are good at laying down TPTK here, much less AA or KK, so I'm not sure what you're hoping to fold. Between your pf flat call and your flop raise, you're repping either a huge hand or a decent hand plus a draw, and he doesn't care.

WHITEBOYAEHS 06-14-2007 04:54 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
i think this is a fold because you have zero implied odds

karlwig 06-14-2007 05:04 PM

Re: NL 50: push, call, fold?
 
yeah, fold here


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