10/25- I pick up a big draw
 

10/25 NL live. Game is playing 10 handed and tighter than it usually plays. I am probably viewed as one of the tightest players in the game, if not the tightest. I am seeing a bunch of flops but haven't seen a turn yet.

I have 6k to start the hand, both players cover.

Folded to a very solid, tag player in MP, he raises to 250 which can be a wide range of hands. I call with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB calls too. In my opinion, he's the tightest player in the game. I have never seen him make a move and he plays pretty straightforward, but he can overvalue hands.

Flop comes: 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Checked to me, I check. Is this a bet here?

Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

EP bets 400. MP folds, I?

I couldn't really figure out what I could represent, but does that matter?

I'm pretty sure he'll call a raise with AQ+, and push KJ and QQ, but I think he'd fold a flush or straight draw or a hand like A10 if I raise.

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a flop bet is +ev and when called often leads to a +ev turn bet as well

i would just call the turn

is 10x open standard in this game?

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I'd raise and push most rivers if hes tight

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I just call turn. I fold if he bets river and I miss. If he checks river after I miss I like to try to either move him off the hand or check behind depending on your read and whether or not you've seen this guy check raise rivers before. I don't like raising the turn here. You open yourself up to get pushed off your hand which could stack your opponent if he's got KJ or a set.

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Folded to a very solid, tag player in MP, he raises to 250 which can be a wide range of hands.

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This just doesnt make sense to me. If this is standard raise in game then that is fine, I have been in live games like that, but why are you calling with AJ? This is a big raise for even 25/50 so you are essentially playing with <100 bb. Just fold PF.

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18% on turn to hit a flush+6 outs for the straight 30% if he doesnt hold your outs, he might even have KJ..thats if he doesnt have a heart. This is spewy to call here. I think the mistake here is calling preflop with AJ suited.

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I couldn't really figure out what I could represent, but does that matter?

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WTF?

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No way he puts u on KJ, if you want go ahead and call, but folding is a good option.

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18% on turn to hit a flush+6 outs for the straight 30% if he doesnt hold your outs, he might even have KJ..thats if he doesnt have a heart. This is spewy to call here. I think the mistake here is calling preflop with AJ suited.

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i dont like a raise cuz it really looks like u picked up a big draw. call and i dont see how folding is an option

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PF is whatever, I bet the flop like 90% of the time when they check to me especially with your image.. then again, if you did that often you wouldn't have your tight image to begin with... but whatever, you do so bet the flop. Raising turn is terrible, you're representing absolutely nothing that makes sense, just call. You have half the deck as your outs since we're definitely betting/raising if clubs come, v-betting an A if it comes, and checking behind if we miss.

Kirk

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Folded to a very solid, tag player in MP, he raises to 250 which can be a wide range of hands.

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This just doesnt make sense to me. If this is standard raise in game then that is fine, I have been in live games like that, but why are you calling with AJ? This is a big raise for even 25/50 so you are essentially playing with <100 bb. Just fold PF.

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there probably was a $50 straddle, in which case a 250 preflop raise would have been a standard open for this game. you obviously can't fold this preflop. though reraising is probably better than calling, especially if MP has a decently large opening raise here (which is true, though unstated in the post).
if there wasn't a straddle, it is a very large open and folding is probably ok (though since it was me, if there wasn't a straddle i certainly thought there was anyway)

if he will call with AQ+, i would just call the the turn.

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You have half the deck as your outs since we're definitely betting/raising if clubs come, v-betting an A if it comes, and checking behind if we miss.


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Yeah, but do you really think a decent player would put him on clubs after the flop check?

You should really bet this flop, being able to represent clubs later is one of many reasons (your hand is disguised if you hit something, sets up future plays, etc).

As played, I think you have to call turn, a raise on that board screams "I JUST PICKED UP A DRAW" after the flop check.

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lol @ raising turn. Call.

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I don't like raising the turn here. You open yourself up to get pushed off your hand which could stack your opponent if he's got KJ or a set.

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i highly doubt he's stacking anyone if he hits his hand.
that being said bet the flop, call the turn.

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preflop might be a spew, depends on several things, but given your description i'd say it's a spew.

that said, call turn.

raising here would be bad for several reasons, the most important being the fact that a lot of good players will put you on your hand and blow you off your draw.

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pre seems really bad, lol at the people saying fold, we has a combo draw

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I don't like raising the turn here. You open yourself up to get pushed off your hand which could stack your opponent if he's got KJ or a set.

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i highly doubt he's stacking anyone if he hits his hand.
that being said bet the flop, call the turn.

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Good point. I was thinking the non-heart K had potential but looking back at the hand see that is an obvious draw as well. Either way, I don't like the turn raise because it opens himself up to get pushed off his hand.

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Raise and represent a Q. This only works if you raise here when you have KQ/AQ and the opp knows it. If you dont, you are forced to call.

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You have half the deck as your outs since we're definitely betting/raising if clubs come, v-betting an A if it comes, and checking behind if we miss.


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Yeah, but do you really think a decent player would put him on clubs after the flop check?

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Oh yeah, totally. If he had a LAG image then no way in hell, but with his tight image no one would be surprised that he checked a flush draw, so yeah it will be believable.

Kirk