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Str8Fish 05-17-2006 10:09 AM

this line ok?
 
Villain is 23/9/1.6 over 200 hands.

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

3-bet and I call, fold ui on the turn. If he calls, I pump it again on the turn, fold to a raise if no heart or 6.

Standard or stupid?

car ramrod 05-17-2006 10:16 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
I would just call the flop

edit: to add reasoning. If he doesnt have an A he may get away from his hand. If he does have an A you are in trouble. Either way, I think calling is the best option.

jaxUp 05-17-2006 10:16 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Villain is 23/9/1.6 over 200 hands.

Party Poker 2.00/4.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>...

3-bet and I call, fold ui on the turn. If he calls, I pump it again on the turn, fold to a raise if no heart or 6.

Standard or stupid?

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This is okay. Why do you feel this line is superior to WA/WB, or why do you feel this is not WA/WB?

Mustafa 05-17-2006 10:16 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
I leak but I like seeing the turn at the very least, and I probably call down. Lots of people get more aggressive with KK or QQ when an ace falls because they want to make you drop it especially since you didn't raise PF they figure you're vulnerable.

lautzutao 05-17-2006 10:16 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
Given how tight he is preflop I don't like it. If he calls this raise he's got Ace-biggerkicker or better. He's more than likely raising you here or on the turn. I'm probably just calling like the weak-tight player I am.

jaxUp 05-17-2006 10:20 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
[ QUOTE ]
I would just call the flop

edit: to add reasoning. If he doesnt have an A he may get away from his hand. If he does have an A you are in trouble. Either way, I think calling is the best option.

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my thoughts as well.

Ampelmann 05-17-2006 10:24 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
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I would just call the flop

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Does this mean you'd simply call him down?

car ramrod 05-17-2006 10:30 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Does this mean you'd simply call him down?


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yes, although sometimes I donk the river. Just depends, sometimes I base it on how long he pauses before he bets the turn.

If he has KK, QQ, or JJ then he is going to check thru the river, so that is why I like a donk on the river. The real question is whether to call or fold if he raises. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

bozlax 05-17-2006 10:34 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
Pretty classic WA/WB, fish. Why mess with it?

Str8Fish 05-17-2006 10:36 AM

Re: this line ok?
 
Villain... 99+, AT+, KQ, QJs
99-KK(30 combinations)
AT-AK(32)
KQ(16)
QJs(4)
AA(1)

So ahead of 50, behind 33. I don't think it's WA/WB.


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