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midnightpulp 09-26-2007 12:51 AM

Some light call downs
 
When I make a correct light calldown I feel like a genius, when I'm wrong, I feel like fishy dolt. How do you guys play the following hands:

(All unknowns)

PokerStars 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7 BB

This one's not super light, but the Ace mucks things up a bit.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

Again, not very light, but uncomfortable.

PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Gurravasa 09-26-2007 01:39 AM

Re: Some light call downs
 
first and third hand is not light but standard. The other two you can often muck depending on reads.

Oink 09-26-2007 03:41 AM

Re: Some light call downs
 
The 65 hand is close IMO. His range is big A's and good pairs. Unless he 3-barrels big Ax you loose on the river. Vs an unknown I call. Vs a predictable TAG I call early in a session and start folding. Cant fold if he might valuebet AK and AQ.


76 hand is ok in a BvB.

The K8 hand is bad vs a good TAG. You are getting valuowned badly on the river. When you peel that flop a good player who knows you are TAG should stop betting his worse hands on the turn. The fact that he bets the turn and river is a bad sign for you. If villain is unknown or a moron I call down.

QJ hand is standard vs all IMO.

Mozart 09-26-2007 11:49 AM

Re: Some light call downs
 
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The K8 hand is bad vs a good TAG. You are getting valuowned badly on the river. When you peel that flop a good player who knows you are TAG should stop betting his worse hands on the turn. The fact that he bets the turn and river is a bad sign for you. If villain is unknown or a moron I call down.


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Wow, i always calldown here. Do you fold turn or river?
But lets say you are Villian otb with QQ, Tag player calls on the flop. Do you check-call turn, check-fold river?

midnightpulp 09-27-2007 12:43 AM

Re: Some light call downs
 
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The K8 hand is bad vs a good TAG. You are getting valuowned badly on the river. When you peel that flop a good player who knows you are TAG should stop betting his worse hands on the turn. The fact that he bets the turn and river is a bad sign for you. If villain is unknown or a moron I call down.


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Wow, i always calldown here. Do you fold turn or river?
But lets say you are Villian otb with QQ, Tag player calls on the flop. Do you check-call turn, check-fold river?

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That's a tough one. Even a good TAG would very well peel with QJ, QT, JT, 54s, etc. In this hand when the 4 peels off, I'd be inclined to check as I'm only realistically beating his gutshot hands. River is totally read dependent if he bets.

I dunno.

Anybody else?


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