5-10 Razz....line check
 

Sorry, don't know of any stud converters (help?).

Should I be 3betting sixth and leading 7th?


Full Tilt Poker Game #4239085489: Table David Oppenheim - $5/$10 Ante $1 - Limit Razz - 13:59:59 ET - 2007/11/20
Seat 1: pubic heir ($147)
Seat 2: aidster ($40)
Seat 3: Evening Lady ($42), is sitting out
Seat 5: raycab ($548)
Seat 6: destiny7 ($108.50)
Seat 7: David Chiu ($116.50)
Seat 8: Antz_Bkr ($109)
destiny7 antes $1
aidster antes $1
David Chiu antes $1
pubic heir antes $1
raycab antes $1
Antz_Bkr antes $1
*** 3RD STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h] [2c]
Dealt to aidster [2d]
Dealt to raycab [9s]
Dealt to destiny7 [Th]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d]
Dealt to Antz_Bkr [3d]
destiny7 is high with [Th]
destiny7 brings in for $1.50
David Chiu completes it to $5
Antz_Bkr folds
pubic heir raises to $10
aidster calls $10
raycab folds
destiny7 has 15 seconds left to act
destiny7 folds
David Chiu calls $5
*** 4TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c] [7s]
Dealt to aidster [2d] [Ks]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d] [8h]
pubic heir bets $5
aidster folds
David Chiu calls $5
*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s] [As]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h] [7h]
aidster stands up
pubic heir bets $10
Long Gun 33 (Observer): hey buddy thanks
David Chiu calls $10
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As] [8d]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h 7h] [3c]
pubic heir bets $10
Antz_Bkr: ok
David Chiu raises to $20
pubic heir calls $10
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As 8d] [9h]
pubic heir checks
David Chiu bets $10
pubic heir calls $10

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

Why not 3-bet the 6th ?
Otherwise seems standard to me..

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

The only reason to flat call 6th is to trap on the river. Either reraise 6th or check/raise 7th, one or the other; you are better than an 80% favorite on 6th street, and not trying to extract an extra bet is criminal.

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

and since both lines get the same number of bets, then 3bet 6th, lead 7th > flat 6th, c/r 7th?

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

You know what would've been fun? I'd have been sorely tempted to check-call 5th street. It would be an easy sell that the A paired you. You know he is going to bet and it's so nice when you are ahead to rep a weak hand. Then the 8 would just be a huge gift on 6th. You might have gotten him to cap both streets.

Oh, and the hand-converter link is in the pinned thread at the top of this forum, or in any thread with a hand history.


*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s] [As]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h] [7h]
aidster stands up
pubic heir bets $10
Long Gun 33 (Observer): hey buddy thanks
David Chiu calls $10
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As] [8d]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h 7h] [3c]
pubic heir bets $10
Antz_Bkr: ok
David Chiu raises to $20
pubic heir calls $10
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As 8d] [9h]
pubic heir checks
David Chiu bets $10
pubic heir calls $10

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

Of all the things that can go wrong, the highest probability is probably that Villain will check behind you on 7th and you lose the check/raise opportunity.

For that reason, I suspect that the 3-bet on 6th street is usually better than trapping, but it's very opponent-dependent.

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

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You know what would've been fun? I'd have been sorely tempted to check-call 5th street. It would be an easy sell that the A paired you. You know he is going to bet...

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I don't think it's anywhere near a certainty that he bets a very rough 8 into a 2-7-A board. Given the way this hand went down to that point, I'd be checking behind with 8-7-6 just about every time.

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

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You know what would've been fun? I'd have been sorely tempted to check-call 5th street. It would be an easy sell that the A paired you. You know he is going to bet and it's so nice when you are ahead to rep a weak hand. Then the 8 would just be a huge gift on 6th. You might have gotten him to cap both streets.

Oh, and the hand-converter link is in the pinned thread at the top of this forum, or in any thread with a hand history.


*** 5TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s] [As]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h] [7h]
aidster stands up
pubic heir bets $10
Long Gun 33 (Observer): hey buddy thanks
David Chiu calls $10
*** 6TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As] [8d]
Dealt to David Chiu [6d 8h 7h] [3c]
pubic heir bets $10
Antz_Bkr: ok
David Chiu raises to $20
pubic heir calls $10
*** 7TH STREET ***
Dealt to pubic heir [5d 4h 2c 7s As 8d] [9h]
pubic heir checks
David Chiu bets $10
pubic heir calls $10

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I think that he raised 6th because of the A on 5th, and because he made his 76. I knew that the A was the perfect card because it made my hand, and because of my 3bet on 3rd he has to think it paired me. I led hoping he'd raise. But to check would have been sexy.

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

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Of all the things that can go wrong, the highest probability is probably that Villain will check behind you on 7th and you lose the check/raise opportunity.

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I don't think it's anywhere near a certainty that he bets a very rough 8 into a 2-7-A board. Given the way this hand went down to that point, I'd be checking behind with 8-7-6 just about every time.

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I don't think you play against David Chiu very much then.

Re: 5-10 Razz....line check
 

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You know what would've been fun? I'd have been sorely tempted to check-call 5th street. It would be an easy sell that the A paired you. You know he is going to bet...

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I don't think it's anywhere near a certainty that he bets a very rough 8 into a 2-7-A board. Given the way this hand went down to that point, I'd be checking behind with 8-7-6 just about every time.

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Given the way the hand went down to that point, it looks like I just paired my A. I think a c/c on 5th might get an extra bet or two out of him (Boy, I'm realizing all the missed value from this hand!!!), and would have been a pretty brilliant play.

I don't know that I get him to cap 6th and 7th, as he might get hip before that.