50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

Villain 17/13/2.5, 500 hands
Seems solid and seems to be playing a lot more aggro than those numbers suggest.
Hero 21/17
Hero has been very active, 3betting, opening a lot etc. Villain is definitely aware of this and has been playing back a bit pretty well.

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My question here is about 3b pots: people on 2+2 always talk about spewing in 3b pots and how people don't have a clue how to play in 3b pots.

So what do I do here? Is a double barrell good, or is it spewing in a 3b pot?

And if I were villain, what range SHOULD I be pushing at the end here to make a preflop 3bettor fold? How weak does my turn check look to an ok vilain like this?

Or does he just have a hand?

Thanks.

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$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$49.50</font>)
UTG 1 (<font color="#0000cc">$48.80</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$93.90</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$48.00</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$61.85</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$27.90</font>)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($12.75, 2 players)
CO checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $9</font>, CO calls $9

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($30.75, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($30.75, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">CO bets $34</font>, <font color="#777777">Hero folds</font>

Final Pot: $63.25

CO wins $63.25 ( won $14.25 )
Hero lost -$15.00

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

Standard, you can just check back the flop and fold to pressure if you want, no need to put any more money in. It feels a little weird but its totally fine.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

His call OOP, combined with decent stats, should indicate that he has a pretty good hand on that flop. I think firing a double barrel on this board is definitely spewy

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

I c/f flop fwiw. Board is too wet to make a c-bet here imo.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

Your flop CB is too big. $8 is more than adequate I think.

Fire the dbl barrel on the [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] turn and call a push - but that board is NOT wet if you take into account what a 17/13's 3bet CALLING range is OOP - he never has a straight or a straight draw here - we have the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] so he almost never has a fd either.

I CB flop and shutdown unless I spike a [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the turn or pick up TPGK+ unless I got a read that villain floats 3bet pots I think a flop CB is standard and reps an OP (as long as we aren't 3betting a huge amount)

nh.

I think he just has a hand - I'd lead AQ+/66+ on this board if I was villain for about 2/3 pot.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

looks good. and i cbet when checked to also.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

Seems standard against a 17/13. I doubt he's floating the flop OOP with nothing if you say he's solid. Turn changes little, so take the free card, you have at least 4 outs here.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

I agree with Matrix here. How is this a wet flop given villains stats and the pf action? If this is what you consider a wet flop, what are you waiting for 925o?

Assuming I haven't looked spewy in the past and I think I'm being given a decent amount of respect on the table, I'm c-betting here all day long. I would shut down to any action though - I'd most likely put this villain on an over pair or big FD.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

think about the range that a 17/13 is cold calling a 3 bet pre flop with. I'd say 1010+, maybe AK. Now look at the board. What hands in villian's range is he check folding on this flop? I you need to either check behind flop, or if you decide to bet the flop, do it with the intention of shoving the turn.

Re: 50NL: Just giving up in 3b pot when cb is called
 

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I'd say 1010+, maybe AK. Now look at the board. What hands in villian's range is he check folding on this flop?

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Yes, thank you. This board sucks to bet at but if youre going to do it then just shove this turn and hope it scares him. But I still think checking back here is by far the most optimal play. Everyone keeps saying the board is great to bet at because a 17/13 isnt floating us with sc's. Thats completely true but he IS calling with a range that "hits" that board. There is nothing on that board he should be scared of so a flop bet here is essentially trying to push him off AK and AK only.