Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

I am posting the data here as comma delimited data that can be cut and pasted into a file and saved in CSV format.

Since this will make for long lines and a sloppy format, on the forum, I think it belongs in a separate post.

Others can use this for posting their results. Graphs and analysis that can be posted in original thread.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

CSV data for Forum viewing on Thursday May 3, 2007

2+2 Sort Order,Group,Forum,0:01,1:01,2:01,3:01,4:01,5:01,6: 01,7:01,8:01,9:01,10:01,11:01,12:01,13:01,14:01,15 :01,16:01,17:01,18:01,19:01,20:01,21:01,22:01,23:0 1
1,Two Plus Two,Two Plus Two Internet Magazine,3,9,3,4,2,2,1,5,6,6,4,7,3,5,8,4,10,3,6,4, 4,8,2,2
2,Two Plus Two,Special Sklansky Forum,4,5,3,1,2,3,4,3,4,3,4,6,9,5,6,6,11,14,5,3,4, 7,5,6
3,Two Plus Two,About the Forums,10,5,3,8,5,11,7,3,2,4,4,16,4,8,6,10,4,8,6,9 ,10,9,3,6
4,General Poker Discussion,Beginners Questions,14,10,17,9,11,7,17,16,8,8,17,20,10,20,25 ,17,20,22,23,19,15,18,14,25
5,General Poker Discussion,Books and Publications,15,15,22,10,15,13,10,10,19,9,15,8,17, 14,20,15,20,31,22,13,18,21,18,10
6,General Poker Discussion,Televised Poker,22,34,26,21,17,15,20,23,11,25,25,127,17,39,1 6,20,24,34,32,30,26,24,25,31
7,General Poker Discussion,"News, Views, and Gossip",128,147,119,124,104,92,108,123,93,109,132, 52,140,165,173,164,174,175,175,180,169,121,141,116
8,General Poker Discussion,Brick and Mortar,48,60,42,35,25,18,25,29,19,37,43,2,64,58,78 ,95,87,83,98,58,81,59,53,73
9,General Poker Discussion,Home Poker,6,11,5,2,1,11,6,8,5,7,6,154,8,12,13,17,7,14, 17,15,11,9,7,15
10,General Poker Discussion,"Poker Beats, Brags, and Variance",147,163,149,128,117,125,110,107,103,138, 135,9,182,195,225,220,247,272,303,230,217,203,153, 161
11,General Poker Discussion,Poker Theory,7,16,9,9,7,8,8,10,12,12,11,28,10,18,10,20,2 2,16,14,15,14,11,13,11
12,General Poker Discussion,Poker Legislation,38,28,39,23,20,9,16,11,11,17,26,21,29, 51,54,63,45,49,41,39,45,41,32,39
13,German Forums,Poker Allgemein: Poker in general,3,3,4,3,5,11,7,14,14,8,16,5,12,10,11,23,10 ,20,6,12,7,4,3,4
14,German Forums,Strategie ,2,1,1,1,4,7,4,6,7,5,5,3,8,7,4,6,7,5,3,1,3,1,4,4
15,German Forums,Internet/Online,1,1,2,3,2,2,2,3,2,3,5,10,12,3,1,2,2,2,6,1,1 ,8,1,1
16,German Forums,BBV ,1,9,1,13,2,6,7,10,9,9,9,4,2,9,14,14,3,8,8,10,3,1, 20,6
17,German Forums,Small Talk,14,17,8,16,9,7,2,2,4,4,2,7,8,2,15,2,15,3,5,5, 2,13,12,1
18,Limit Texas Hold'em,High Stakes Limit,17,10,11,25,11,12,7,9,10,9,14,9,16,9,19,9,25 ,16,12,17,16,24,20,12
19,Limit Texas Hold'em,Medium Stakes Limit,12,22,15,15,14,10,9,5,5,12,7,13,11,25,13,17, 20,16,18,13,15,19,23,15
20,Limit Texas Hold'em,Small Stakes Limit,34,16,20,9,20,21,14,20,10,12,13,20,21,20,39, 23,36,29,26,17,20,26,7,22
21,Limit Texas Hold'em,Micro Stakes Limit,9,16,10,20,11,9,25,30,14,26,29,8,8,38,14,29, 12,40,35,27,29,10,27,34
22,Limit Texas Hold'em,Mid-High Stakes Shorthanded,23,71,19,64,17,27,6,9,3,8,10,20,14,12, 20,20,28,13,19,10,10,24,77,16
23,Limit Texas Hold'em,Small Stakes Shorthanded,68,46,56,45,44,41,28,19,20,18,34,49,74 ,25,87,25,107,40,33,22,24,82,41,23
24,PL/NL Texas Hold'em,High Stakes,48,70,53,93,40,25,64,55,63,60,62,45,70,70,6 6,98,54,108,101,93,75,49,103,76
25,PL/NL Texas Hold'em,Medium Stakes,86,37,81,27,71,100,57,35,41,38,43,69,110,67 ,131,49,129,48,53,62,73,94,39,43
26,PL/NL Texas Hold'em,Small Stakes,34,19,37,18,32,32,99,77,78,94,105,43,45,104 ,57,150,79,131,147,105,136,47,18,93
27,PL/NL Texas Hold'em,Micro Stakes,19,43,20,29,17,20,33,34,49,42,37,16,28,48,1 8,55,23,67,64,41,39,18,42,23
28,PL/NL Texas Hold'em,Full Ring,39,37,34,29,32,26,10,12,17,6,27,32,42,22,71,2 8,78,21,29,34,28,57,24,15
29,Tournament Poker,MTT Strategy,37,51,29,52,30,26,43,34,38,33,52,11,18,54 ,38,61,44,57,74,62,54,37,49,40
30,Tournament Poker,MTT Community,48,14,44,6,31,40,22,20,18,15,16,36,60,25 ,72,40,74,33,32,30,47,64,9,26
31,Tournament Poker,STT Strategy,19,9,11,10,8,8,34,29,28,46,57,16,9,51,18, 59,13,93,79,77,59,17,11,55
32,Tournament Poker,Tournament Circuit,8,11,6,8,4,4,7,9,4,6,12,5,9,12,3,17,12,11, 14,12,16,5,7,17
33,Other Poker,Omaha/8,10,7,3,7,4,11,4,7,3,5,12,14,14,7,10,13,12,13,15, 14,6,18,7,12
34,Other Poker,Omaha High,10,8,10,7,5,3,10,8,14,9,6,6,3,13,9,8,12,15,12 ,10,6,7,13,12
35,Other Poker,Stud,11,4,9,7,6,7,3,3,2,10,3,5,9,9,5,5,13,16 ,13,8,5,7,6,6
36,Other Poker,Heads Up Poker,2,8,3,6,3,5,5,6,6,6,7,1,3,5,4,6,11,7,12,9,10 ,3,2,6
37,Other Poker,Other Poker Games,5,5,6,10,5,3,2,1,1,5,3,6,3,4,5,7,5,7,10,9,4, 4,11,4
38,General Gambling,Probability,12,25,8,26,12,10,6,3,1,4,5,8, 8,6,13,6,20,5,5,3,5,12,22,4
39,General Gambling,Psychology,23,3,28,4,14,9,12,10,5,5,11,14 ,19,9,30,27,28,14,11,14,17,20,6,12
40,General Gambling,Sports Betting,1,13,4,11,5,1,15,13,13,10,21,9,1,29,2,29,3 ,35,41,30,38,3,6,25
41,General Gambling,Other Gambling Games,27,56,14,49,33,6,2,1,2,1,3,34,13,5,13,2,12,1 0,4,2,8,3,80,6
42,General Gambling,American Idol Wagering,69,10,55,10,7,48,1,2,4,2,5,8,55,13,86,12, 73,7,18,6,8,77,17,6
43,Internet Gambling,Internet Gambling,15,7,11,11,11,16,48,45,38,43,51,11,9,60,2 2,79,22,71,89,85,90,23,7,93
44,Internet Gambling,Internet Bonuses,7,6,10,26,16,8,15,11,14,19,23,19,10,26,18, 22,14,25,30,15,21,8,14,22
45,Internet Gambling,Affiliates/RakeBack,15,5,25,3,7,22,6,13,9,12,10,5,17,9,38,16, 32,10,11,8,10,22,2,10
46,Internet Gambling,Software,3,147,5,118,92,7,23,17,17,20,22, 103,6,18,7,33,4,32,33,21,22,7,152,23
47,Internet Gambling,"Poker Site Software, Skins, & Networks",200,14,142,7,5,88,3,6,2,6,9,7,120,8,181, 4,208,8,8,9,7,170,12,4
48,2+2 Communities,Other Other Topics,21,30,9,21,24,5,72,71,54,81,90,19,8,146,17, 179,11,181,215,201,188,15,26,141
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50,2+2 Communities,El Diablo's General Discussion,103,7,87,4,3,68,18,19,4,19,13,15,72,23, 84,29,108,32,25,40,25,108,5,41
51,2+2 Communities,BBV4LIFE,7,31,7,32,18,1,50,37,33,33,50 ,12,8,74,12,102,5,106,94,115,102,2,49,122
52,Other Topics,Golf,38,26,19,10,15,16,6,1,1,5,2,13,20,10,3 1,14,43,6,2,4,5,31,37,5
53,Other Topics,Sporting Events,24,25,20,21,15,18,9,13,5,12,13,8,23,31,17,3 8,21,39,47,39,33,27,23,39
54,Other Topics,Politics,20,22,19,23,19,19,18,8,10,13,25,4, 16,21,13,32,21,29,41,26,27,15,31,28
55,Other Topics,"Business, Finance, and Investing",20,10,20,9,10,21,11,13,3,17,22,2,14,23, 18,25,30,35,25,26,23,23,6,17
56,Other Topics,"Science, Math, and Philosophy",8,10,8,4,6,2,17,21,12,9,18,11,9,13,10, 29,10,19,30,24,27,9,15,32
57,Other Topics,Health and Fitness,15,23,7,17,4,4,4,1,1,4,5,3,4,8,13,12,10,9, 11,11,14,7,23,13
58,Other Topics,Student Life,18,8,14,8,4,10,12,7,4,5,8,10,16,12,25,10,25,1 3,12,15,12,32,8,11
59,Other Topics,Puzzles and Other Games,4,12,8,14,10,5,4,8,6,7,8,1,5,20,7,26,15,27,2 6,24,23,9,17,19
60,Other Topics,Video Games,10,3,24,3,4,7,4,7,3,4,8,3,9,11,12,17,16,12,8 ,15,13,15,10,8
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Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

Stevie, there appears to be problems with the data... can you confirm that you are handling the case where there are "no viewers" of a forum (and thus no label) properly...

Other than that, good work so far.

ps... what time zone?

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

either something is terribly wrong, or i'm reading the data wrong

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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can you confirm that you are handling the case where there are "no viewers" of a forum (and thus no label) properly...

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The sponsored rakeback forums are showing values of zero and have the appropriate number of entries, so this appears to be working.

Tip to anyone importing this: take the commas out of forum names to get everything to line up correctly. Otherwise, SMP, BFI, and others may get messed up.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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either something is terribly wrong, or i'm reading the data wrong

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yeah, the sites, skins, and networks forum doesn't ever have 200 viewers.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

so what am i looking at exactly? am i really to believe that the lounge ever had 123 viewers? or that bbv4l ever had only 1 viewer? i don't.

i must not know what the data means.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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can you confirm that you are handling the case where there are "no viewers" of a forum (and thus no label) properly...

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The sponsored rakeback forums are showing values of zero and have the appropriate number of entries, so this appears to be working.

Tip to anyone importing this: take the commas out of forum names to get everything to line up correctly. Otherwise, SMP, BFI, and others may get messed up.

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No, on some hours some of the data is shifted up 1 or 2 places...

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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No, on some hours some of the data is shifted up 1 or 2 places...

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Oh, I see what you're saying, e.g.

16:01

Poker Sites 208
OOT 11
Lounge 35
El D 108
BB4L 5

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

While the individual data points aren't all accurate, here's what the totals look like...

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3...v050307ih8.jpg

Worth noting, the data is higher than that reported by big-boards, which is polling data from every page load...

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/1...050307bhx8.jpg

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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Stevie, there appears to be problems with the data... can you confirm that you are handling the case where there are "no viewers" of a forum (and thus no label) properly...

Other than that, good work so far.

ps... what time zone?

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Time zone EDT, sorry about that.

Yes, I noticed the 200 peak in Software and thought that odd, too but did not make the connection to a shift in numbers.

We'll do better next week, and I may even be able to clean up this dataset at the end of the day.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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I noticed the 200 peak in Software and thought that odd

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Whatever, man. AutoHotKey scripting: Serious Buisness!
-Sam: Unbiased Observer

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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I noticed the 200 peak in Software and thought that odd

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Whatever, man. AutoHotKey scripting: Serious Buisness!
-Sam: Unbiased Observer

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Sam, he meant the "other" software forum [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I noticed the 200 peak in Software and thought that odd

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Whatever, man. AutoHotKey scripting: Serious Buisness!
-Sam: Unbiased Observer

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Sam, he meant the "other" software forum [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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See, I was GONNA actually read the data, but then I heard it had a typo, so just starting throwing out one-liners...

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I noticed the 200 peak in Software and thought that odd

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Whatever, man. AutoHotKey scripting: Serious Buisness!
-Sam: Unbiased Observer

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Sam, he meant the "other" software forum [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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See, I was GONNA actually read the data, but then I heard it had a typo, so just starting throwing out one-liners...

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Here's the punchline... OOT, BBV, NVG & BBV4L run good on viewers... POG doesn't [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

so in essence the numbers are showing that the only people that go to POG are people that post there?

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so in essence the numbers are showing that the only people that go to POG are people that post there?

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Who the hell would lurk POG?

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

who would lurk anything, is OOT that much more interesting?
i just want to make sure i am getting the gist of what the numbers mean.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

I was able to fix the formatting problems for the Community and General Poker groups by lining up the big viewer counts from OOT, BBV, BBV4Life and NVG.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/1533/generalrh8.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2...mmunityno0.jpg

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

Iron - I'm colorblind, so i cannot tell which line is the B&M forum. Can you post the chart with just B&M? Thanks!

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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Iron - I'm colorblind, so i cannot tell which line is the B&M forum. Can you post the chart with just B&M? Thanks!

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TT, B&M is the 3rd line on the 1st graph.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

Community by rank at the end of the day:

BBV, NVG, B&M, Legislation, TV, Beginners, Home Poker, Theory, Books

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

what it do OOT?

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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what it do OOT?

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http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...2k2/OOTFTW.jpg

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

I think it would be interesting to see a graph showing how many people were viewing strat. vs. non-strat forums at given times.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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I was able to fix the formatting problems for the Community and General Poker groups by lining up the big viewer counts from OOT, BBV, BBV4Life and NVG.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2...mmunityno0.jpg

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Well, there goes El D's theory.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

Tommy Chambers FTW. Nice, Tuq.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

KotOD: "Well, there goes El D's theory." Huh?

Stevie: Thanks! Tickner is currently compiling a longer timeframe sample, will be interesting to compare these multiple datapoints.

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I think it would be interesting to see a graph showing how many people were viewing strat. vs. non-strat forums at given times.

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I thought the strat forums were represented by that black line with the ticks every 5 hours.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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KotOD: "Well, there goes El D's theory." Huh?


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That your forum has oodles of lurkers.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

Kot,

Apparently you are not aware that to find out information about viewers in any single forum, all I or anyone else has to do is LOOK AT THE MAIN INDEX PAGE!

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

a question about the data:

if a user has tabs open with threads from multiple forums, how would what he is 'viewing' be calculated?

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what it do OOT?

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How do you not say "What it dOOT" there? Geez you guys are lame.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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a question about the data:

if a user has tabs open with threads from multiple forums, how would what he is 'viewing' be calculated?

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Sniper believes that a user is counted as viewing a forum if he has opened a thread there within the last 15 minutes. So as long as each tab keeps getting refreshed, each counts as a separate user.

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a question about the data:

if a user has tabs open with threads from multiple forums, how would what he is 'viewing' be calculated?

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ed, the answer to this is not clear, it could be...

1. multi counting them, which might account for the difference with big-boards numbers.

2. only counting the last user action.

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Sniper believes that a user is counted as viewing a forum if he has opened a thread there within the last 15 minutes. So as long as each tab keeps getting refreshed, each counts as a separate user.

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This could lead to things like Dids constantly refreshing BBV in order to pump up their numbers:

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j3...Size_Homer.png

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

I think I screwed that up. My post above only applies if you're using different accounts. A user can be counted as viewing more than one forum, but each account can only be counted as viewing any particular forum once.

Re: Response to El D\'s request for online user count by forum
 

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a question about the data:

if a user has tabs open with threads from multiple forums, how would what he is 'viewing' be calculated?

[/ QUOTE ]
Sniper believes that a user is counted as viewing a forum if he has opened a thread there within the last 15 minutes. So as long as each tab keeps getting refreshed, each counts as a separate user.

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Iron, worth noting that even if the first sentence is true (and you would think looking at the thread list would also count, right?), does not make your 2nd sentence true.

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I think I screwed that up. My post above only applies if you're using different accounts. A user can be counted as viewing more than one forum, but each account can only be counted as viewing any particular forum once.

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This isnt something we would have to really worry about. Its a rare case, if ever.

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Post deleted by Mike Haven per StevieG's request.